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Current status of Mary [Re: Cardinal Ratzinger Does Not Foresee Approval of “Co-redemptrix”]

Posted on 10/07/2002 1:03:41 PM PDT by Polycarp

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To: Catholicguy; Matchett-PI
<> I don't operate on the basis of feelings.

Well you sure do not operate on the word of God..so what is your foundation?

601 posted on 10/10/2002 9:06:23 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
I just heard from Jean yesterday( first time in weeks) ...his wife is not well right now so he is not around ..I will remind him..maybe he will pop in

You totally missed my point..sigh
602 posted on 10/10/2002 9:10:33 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: RnMomof7
Mom, if you read your bible, like you say you do, you should be able to answer your own questions. Luke Chapter 3: 1-22. It's a bit long to type. Even in the Catholic church this passage is referenced in the Catechism regarding the inauguration of Jesus' public life as a servant.
603 posted on 10/10/2002 9:15:37 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: RnMomof7
I restate the church at Rome has no real spiritual authority any more...as the conversation I was in I repeat I believe the church at Rome had the keys taken out or her pocket. She is mearly a hollow "leader"

<> LMAO Exactly what the New Testament says.

And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

<> Calvinist interpreting the Bible; "I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven (until such time as I shall raise up Jean Cauvin who will change Doctrine and I will gve him the keys as a reward for faithfully changing what my Catholic Church taught for 16 Centuries). <>

604 posted on 10/10/2002 9:25:17 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Matchett-PI
<> Everything is predetermined. Don't sweat it.<>
605 posted on 10/10/2002 9:27:59 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: RnMomof7
"Well you sure do not operate on the word of God..so what is your foundation?"

Like the DemocRATS that you hear calling Rush who claim to have come from a "long line of DemocRATS", they are AFRAID to go against their "DemocRAT family tradition" (the foundation on which their house of cards is built). They FEAR they will be outcasts in their own family and among their friends if any one of them even happens to hear them talking to him.

But as Marx wrote, those who would rule over others must have these sorts of lazy, dependency minded "useful idiots" who don't feel comfortable unless they have someone else do their "critical thinking" for them, and tell them what to believe and what to do.

The proof of how foolish they are is the fact that they *feel* they won't be held responsible for their weak-minded decisions to depend on what others tell them if those *others* turn out to be wrong.

606 posted on 10/10/2002 9:29:38 AM PDT by Matchett-PI
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To: Catholicguy
"<> Everything is predetermined. Don't sweat it.<>"

Are you a fatalist?

607 posted on 10/10/2002 9:31:57 AM PDT by Matchett-PI
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To: RnMomof7
<> It seems to be the Calvinist position that everything is predetermined. Even that I am predetermined to go to Hell. That dark doctrine makes of Jesus a Liar. You are welcome to it. I want no part of that Evil.

IF all had been predetermined, then one would have to conclude that Jesus established His Church, sent the Holy Spirit upon it to Teach it all truth, promised to be with His Church until the end of time but He was intentionallly Lying. He REALLY did not intend that.

No, according to the logic of Calvinism, He established His Catholic Church to spread errors and falsehoods, lies, and false Doctrine for 16 Centuries before finally raising up the great champion Calvin to set everything right.

In the meantime 100's of millions of Christians lived and died and were sent to Hell for everlasting punishment for believing the false doctrine spread by the Catholic Church that Jesus established because that was the predetermined plan of God. Serves them bastards right

Yep, it all makes perfect sense to me when I look at it that way.:)<>

<> This is your Faith. And it is the Faith that the_doc got you to accept. Do you think for a nanosecond I'd fall for such evil insanity?<>

608 posted on 10/10/2002 9:33:25 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Matchett-PI
<>Evading another?<>

Lets be honest...the facts are, the last two posts I addressed to you were never answered...in fact I thought you ran for your life! I'm sure you can locate them in your comments section...


Proverbs 6:16-19 There are six things which the LORD hates, seven which are an abomination to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, 19 a false witness who breathes out lies, and a man who sows discord among brothers.

609 posted on 10/10/2002 9:36:45 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Matchett-PI
Are you a fatalist?

<> Nope, Philatelist.<>

610 posted on 10/10/2002 9:37:51 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Matchett-PI
Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire
611 posted on 10/10/2002 9:40:00 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Matchett-PI
Matthew 7:1-5 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

612 posted on 10/10/2002 9:41:01 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Matchett-PI
1 Corinthians 13:1-6 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain
nothing. 4 Love is patient and kind; love is not jealous or boastful; 5 it is not arrogant or rude. Love does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right.
613 posted on 10/10/2002 9:42:01 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Matchett-PI
Titus 3:2 to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy
toward all men.

614 posted on 10/10/2002 9:43:12 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Matchett-PI
James 4:11-12 Do not speak evil against one another, brethren. He that speaks evil against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law,
you are not a doer of the law but a judge. 12 There is one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you that you judge your neighbor?

615 posted on 10/10/2002 9:44:20 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Matchett-PI
19 Now when it was late the same day, the first of the week, and the doors were shut, where the disciples were gathered together, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst and said to them: Peace be to you.

20 And when he had said this, he shewed them his hands and his side. The disciples therefore were glad, when they saw the Lord.

21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you.

22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.

23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them: and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained

<> Well, I do go to Confession. But, then again, I am a Catholic and so I follow Jesus, not Jean Cauvin.<>

616 posted on 10/10/2002 9:44:47 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: sandyeggo; RnMomof7; Matchett-PI; the_doc; xzins; CCWoody
The hyperbole that is over the top comes from the teachings of the Baal Shem Tov, not from me. We do try to share our knowledge with you, (that's one example) but because of your spirits of unbelief, you revile, insult, and seek to silence the prophets all the day long here.

Unless you get on even ground with us by studying the Word of God, you will never be open to what it teaches. One day we'll all be gone from here,and in the deafening silence you can sit around with your little playpals and put dresses on your images of your gods and no one will rebuke you.

617 posted on 10/10/2002 9:51:19 AM PDT by JesseShurun
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To: Matchett-PI
You need a refresher course on Church Unity

Did Christ found one Church?

"There is one Lord, one faith, one Baptism; one God."(Eph.34:4-6, Jn.17:21).

Is it against Christ's will for there to be division in His Church?

"Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all say the same thing; and that there be no dissension among you, but that you be perfectly united in one mind and in one judgment." (1 Cor. 1:10.)

618 posted on 10/10/2002 10:04:08 AM PDT by Codie
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619 posted on 10/10/2002 10:29:48 AM PDT by lodwick
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To: Irisshlass; theAmbassador; drstevej; RnMomof7; Wrigley; Jerry_M; CCWoody; Jean Chauvin; ...
"Proverbs 6:16-19 There are six things which the LORD hates, seven are .. . Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire":

Really? LOL!!! Don't be so hard on yourself and your friends just because you all write this kind of stuff:

To other FReepers about them and/or their beliefs:

"I owe a liar and deceiver no simple answers."
81 posted on 12/23/01 9:51 PM Pacific by proud2bRC

"A perverse and sick theology dreamed up by a prideful and demented churchman."
3 posted on 5/26/02 10:25 PM Eastern by sinkspur

"Sorry if I offend my non-Catholic, non-Orthodox brethren, but frankly I'm fed up with some of the hardened, idiotic bigots on this forum."
310 posted on 6/24/02 7:15 PM Pacific by Polycarp

"I lack giving charity to mentally challenged people."
218 posted on 10/8/02 3:11 PM Eastern by TotusTuus

"I was pinged to this thread multiple times, Jacka$$."
419 posted on 10/4/02 Eastern by Polycarp

"I don't take scripture lessons from psychopaths"
767 posted on 10/4/02 by Polycarp

"<>His "Doctrine" comes from Satan. The scorpion's egg of "You shall be like Gods" was implanted in his intellect. Calvin's Will fertislised it and the bastard child was brought forth- Calvin's Dark Doctrines - and those with itching ears, anxious for new doctrine sallied forth to worship the Mother of errors and His child.<>"
411 posted on 10/9/02 by Catholicguy

620 posted on 10/10/2002 10:54:41 AM PDT by Matchett-PI
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