Current status of Mary [Re: Cardinal Ratzinger Does Not Foresee Approval of “Co-redemptrix”]

[RnMomof7]

Gee, I go off to work this morning and miss all the fun

Ya need to retire or get a computer job:>)

[RnMomof7]

Why did Jesus need to clothe Himself in humanity to carry out our redemption?

Different question than the one I asked and non responsive?

Scripture clearly answers the why of the humanity of Jesus..It says nothing on Mary except she knew she was a sinner in need of a savior

[theAmbassador]

Calvin is the [creator] of egregious and hateful doctrine.

Mary is the [creator] of God, Theotokos.

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What an interesting analogy Catholicguy!

[JesseShurun]

Ye, nothing like going to the prophets for sound doctrine. There are all sorts of nuggets in the OT. I'll find you some more.

[RnMomof7]

How do you think the saints know you want them to pray for you?

[drstevej]

**Didn't a lot of Calvinists graduate from there?***

No doubt you're thinking of the Apostle Paul! :0)

[Polycarp]

How do you think St.Francis knows you want him to pray for you?

In Heaven there are no bodies yet, only souls, right?

How do body-less souls communicate?

With their ears? Their physical brains and mouths? No, they won't have them till after the Resurrection.

Do the saints in Heaven speak to each other, the angels, and the Most Holy Trinity?

So how do souls communicate? From soul to soul by some method that eye has not yet seen and ear has not yet heard.

However, that faculty of the soul was given man at creation, and we have it now here on earth, and shall retain it (obviously) in Heaven.

Personally I think those body-less souls communicate just as our souls here on earth communicate with God, through an act of the will, in a form of prayer.

Where does the ability to pray come from? That too, here and in Heaven, is a gift of God.

In Heaven all those body-less souls participate in the Beatific Vision.

How do they "see" God if they have no bodies?

Its a mystery, but probably much the same way God speaks to our souls, which does not involve physical senses.

Furthermore, only matter, our physical being, exists in space and time.

Those souls in Heaven exist outside space and time. They exist in a timeless Eternity.

So they have FOREVER to "hear" the prayers of the faithful on earth.

And they "hear" them simply because God hears those prayers of the faithful on earth, and the saints are participating in the Beatific Vision.

Yes, its a mystery to us, as scripture says eye has not seen what God has waiting.

The Communion of Saints ain't that difficult to grasp.

[RnMomof7]

The problem is Scott has forgotten more than I will ever know..so the lie had to be intentional.,..I have read this is one of his own personal little doctrines and one that led to some mumblings among the scripitual knowledgable Presbyterians he was pastoring...perhaps he has simply found a home for his pet doctrine among the Biblically illiterate  

Here is the link...now think about this ..The JW's only changed ONE word in the Bible and that one word strips Jesus of His divinity..words do mean things

[RnMomof7]

Nice try ..but even the Arminians know that Caivinist do not pray to Calvin...BTW Many of us have never even read calvin.."Calvinism " is a nick name for the faith of Augustine, Luther , and Calvin.. better called the doctrines of grace..

Mary was a sweet and holy lady who is god to many...God is not happy about that , he does not share His glory

Isa 42:8 I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Think on this CG

[RnMomof7]

BUT How do they KNOW you want them to pray for you?

[drstevej]

***Calvinists have made Calvin a God. ***

Name one who has and document the claim.

[RnMomof7]

We are told to pray for one and other..not pray to one and other. So when you are in your prayer closet alone why spend THAT time with others instead of the one that IS the mediator....

[RnMomof7]

BUT how do THEY know you want them to pray for you?

[TotusTuus]

How do you know he is God?

By the theological virtue of Divine Faith! This is a supernatural Gift of God which no human being can obtain on his/her own. Since the Grace of God builds on the order of nature which He Created, Faith in no way contradicts nature, but rather, builds on it leading to the Infinite where it transcends nature. It is, first and foremost, a gratuitous work of God. But God invites us to freely respond to it by accepting His Grace, i.e. the Life of God in us, in order to continuously grow with His Divine Life in us. This is a result of our free will given to us by God, Who will not force it. In other words, Heaven can and should begin here and now on earth in us, both corporately (the Church) and individually, but we will only experience it's fullness at the "close of the ages" when we see God "face to face" and all Creation is consummated and brought to the Eternal Father by His Son. Individually, this could mean at our death, but the hereafter is still a mystery to us and I don't think any of us know all the details. I mean by this that we will have a share in God's Eternity and concepts of "time" and "space" in such a situation would obviously be much different than our experience of them in our "life of the flesh".

I cannot judge other people, only pray for them and open myself to God to allow Him to work through me to bring others to the Faith. Because it is a lifelong process, no one knows just how or when the Grace of God will work in them to bring them to Grace, or whether or not they will accept that Grace.

[Desdemona]

Polycarp says it fairly well in 289.

It's a matter of faith and trust - and a mystery.

[RnMomof7]

Here's the problem sandy..you are attributing the character of God to the saints..you are assuming that they are omnipresent and omniscient..

You make the assumption if a hundred people all over the world are saying a rosery at the exact same time Mary can hear every single one of them and respond to every single one of them..Neither she nor any saint can do that ..those are the unique gualities of God. And He will not share those with anyone

Scripture tells us our purpose is to know love and serve God in this world in the next..When you read Revelation the picture is of all Gods creation worshiping at the throne.. not sitting by a "hotline" waiting for incoming calls:>))

[RnMomof7]

***And the smoke of the incense, {which came} with the prayers of the saints, **

Misreading of scripture Tom..you are reading your doctrine into it..not deriving your doctrine from it

Rom 16:15 Salute Philologus, and Julia, Nereus, and his sister, and Olympas, and all the saints which are with them.

2Cr 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy [our] brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

2Cr 13:13 All the saints salute you.

Eph 1:15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

Phl 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

Phl 4:22 All the saints salute you, chiefly they that are of Caesar's household.

Col 1:4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love [which ye have] to all the saints,

Hbr 13:24 Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.

Psa 16:3 [But] to the saints that [are] in the earth, and [to] the excellent, in whom [is] all my delight.

Psa 31:23 O love the LORD, all ye his saints: [for] the LORD preserveth the faithful, and plentifully rewardeth the proud doer.

Psa 89:7 God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all [them that are] about him.

Psa 148:14 He also exalteth the horn of his people, the praise of all his saints; [even] of the children of Israel, a people near unto him. Praise ye the LORD.

Act 9:32 And it came to pass, as Peter passed throughout all [quarters], he came down also to the saints which dwelt at Lydda.

Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called [to be] saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1Cr 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

1Cr 14:33 For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Eph 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Eph 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Phm 1:5 Hearing of thy love and faith, which thou hast toward the Lord Jesus, and toward all saints;

Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.


Clearly scripitually all living believers are saints and that was the usage of the word..

[RnMomof7]

Nice job for a mom. I did that kind of thing for a while when my kids were small