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To: Ready2go; PresbyRev
and this is what The Holy Spirit showed me...it's what I believe

And those above are 2 seperate issues. What you believe may NOT be what the Holy Spirit would teach. They are not one in the same.
The HOLY spirit does not decieve. And you have been decieved (mislead, taught incorrectly, not using your head).

Why all the warnings to "watch"?
Who would listen to these warnings but Christians?
Why the warnings to flee?
Who would heed those warnings but Christiaqns?
Why the reward for those who do not sleep, but endure until the end?

Christ was NOT talking to mythological "tribulation period" converts, He was talking to His disciples who were promised persecution.
The Apostles were not talking to you or me or 21st century "tribulation" survivors, but to the 1st century followers who ALREADY believed in Christ.

The word "caught up" refers to those in Hades caught to be with the Father at the return, and those who are alive and "taken" were "caught up" in the presence ("the air") of CHrist. It brings a spiritual but LITERAL meaning to "ask Him into your heart." Those who are saved are "caught up" in His presence right here on this earth. It is a truth for today.

Rev, What is your take on the rapture?
1,975 posted on 10/01/2002 7:29:50 AM PDT by nate4one
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To: nate4one
For the sake of argument, I will grant the dispensationalist her or his literal interpretation of their 'rapture' passages. However, they cannot escape the time limitations of the N.T. that the complex of events Jesus spoke of in his Olivet Discourse, that the writers of the N.T. weave into their writings regarding the parousia - 'soon' 'at the door' 'at hand' 'about to appear' and so forth.

What I consider an intriguing possibility is a 'rapture' similiar to what many evangelicals expect to occur today having taken place sometime between AD 67 & AD 70. Their is an awfully odd silence in the writings of the Apostles,etc. re: Christian history/teaching between roughly AD 70 and AD 150 (it took about another 70 or 80 years for those Christians who were not 'watchful' or 'wise' to gather themselves and sally forth again to the pages of history. It would also be in that era that the idea of a delayed parousia arose. That a 'rapture' occurred concurrently with the parousia and the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 would explain the dangling ending to Mark, the abrupt end in Acts (what happens next?), the sudden disappearance in the late 60's (67 to 70) of many of the Apostles.

Apart from that, I would interpret the rapture as simply a reference to the gathering of the saints to be with Christ at death. But, it seems more to refer, again, back to the first century and the translation from the Old Covenant to the Spiritual Realities of the New Covenant.

1,976 posted on 10/01/2002 8:08:56 AM PDT by PresbyRev
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