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OK Guys I need some clarification here...I am pretty end times dumb..the whole topic has been a yawn to me untill the last two weeks...It was always my assumption that the millennium would be a time when only the saints were on earth..

So now I am greatly confused by the discussion which then includes will babies be born during the millennium and the need of God to rule wirh an IRON rod,,.....so This dumb blond that has TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many senior moments would like each of the posters to list the order of events as THEY believe scripture outlines them

Please list them 1 to ??? in order with at least one scripture citation...

This will help me understand all the confusion I am reading ...

thanks

terry

Well for starters, the saints are promised that they will rule --- rule what or whom? each other? what kind of rule is that? And then with a rod of iron --- why would you need a rod of iron for resurrected saints?

There are those on earth who are not in the Valley of Megiddo when Jesus returns to the Mount of Olives. Zechariah 14:16 tells you what they do "from year to year" for a thousand years.

There will also be those on earth who heeded the warning of the angel not to worship the beast or receive his mark. Many will be beheaded, others persecuted, and others will go into hiding. God will keep his promise to them for heeding his warning.

The fact that there are swords to be beat into plowshares indicates that there is still a warring mentality that has to be overcome amongst the survivors of the Tribulation. Among the survivors will be those who wanted to survive and be part of the kingdom of God, but not under the King of Israel and his saints. He will reign until he has brought these under his authority. Those who will not submit to his authority wil be separated out as "goats".

The fact that when Satan is loosed and he is able to gather together an army to come against the saints of God after Jesus has been ruling for a thousand years is indicative of the perpetuation of a "rebellious nature" still prevalent within the heart of many as far as a thousand years into the Millenium. These can't possibly be resurrected saints, but they can be Tribulation survivors or descendants thereof, with a short memory and a shorter future.

It was always my assumption that the millennium would be a time when only the saints were on earth..

I was told that as well, but we have xzins and Woodkirk both telling us that it is not so. And nobdysfool keeps hounding me for misrepresenting PreMillennialism. So, it would seem that we have many brands of PreMils, who can't even agree with each other what the Millennium of Peace will be like.

Rn, I am a post-trib rapture person. Pre and midtribbers will place the trib in a different position. This is how I think the bible explains it. Z.

1. Spread of the gospel.
2. Israel restored to own land.
3. a. Falling Away
....b. Temple restored
4. Antichrist
....a. 3.5 years of preparatory leadership
....b. Revealed in temple pretending to be god
....c. tribulation period begins
5. Tribulation. (3.5 years)(mark of beast, martyrdoms, etc.)
6. Lord's Return
....a. Descent from heaven
....b. Dead in Christ rise first
........(1) The resurrection "from the dead" or "out of" the dead; i.e., the others of the dead remain "dead" and these are taken "from" them.
........(2) lu 20:25 - but those who are considered worth to attain to THAT age and the resurrection FROM THE DEAD...
........(3) Php 3:11 - in order that I may attain to the resurrection FROM the dead.
........(4) Rev 20:5-6 - the REST of the dead did not come to life until the 1000 years were completed. (This is the first resurrection.) Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the 1st resurrection; over these the 2nd death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a 1000 years.
........(5) Rev 5:10; Rev 7:14; (Post-trib verse)
....c. Living IN CHRIST are raptured/changed/translated
....d. Battle with collected armies of antichrist & various kings.
....e. Lake of fire for AC & False Prophet
....f. Remainder of armies killed
7. Millennial Reign
....a. Satan bound for 1000 years
....b. Judgment of remaining Gentiles. Some thrown into lake of fire, others kept alive into millennial age.
....c. Judgment of remaining Jews. (see 7b)
8. Release of Satan after 1000 years.
....a. Gathers armies from humans living on earth. They are destroyed by God.
....b. Resurrection and judgment of the unjust.
9. Final consummation
....a. Earth consumed
....b. New heavens and new earth