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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Thank you Chief Inquisitor. Oh if I could only have someone of your great holiness to guide me << great sarcasm >> Why don't you mind your own soul and stop casting stones at me and what you "perceive" I believe. You are clueless, rude and unChristian. You don't know the slightest thing about me and have completely misinterpreted what I said.
32 posted on 09/09/2002 5:24:46 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: goldenstategirl
Thank you Chief Inquisitor. Oh if I could only have someone of your great holiness to guide me << great sarcasm >> Why don't you mind your own soul and stop casting stones at me and what you "perceive" I believe. You are clueless, rude and unChristian. You don't know the slightest thing about me and have completely misinterpreted what I said.

Misinterpreted? Better reread what you wrote but just to refresh your short memory span, you've stated what you believe. There's no room for misperception: #2 - I've have heard that the Sacraments are valid even when the priest is not the most holy person. Personally, I have a difficult time believing this. A corrupt priest would be a dirty container for the Spirit. How could the Holy Spirit act or reside there? I think a priest/Saint's abilities are directly related to their own purity. I will only go to Mass and take Sacraments from a priest I respect and know to be a good person, but that's just me.

The Donatists floated this same balloon over 1600 years ago. Face it toots, you're ignorant and St. Augustine isn't the only one to point that out. Ever read Summa Theologica? Ever learn what St. Francis of Assisi had to say about the worthiness of priests and the Sacraments? Ever learn what kind of person Francis was when he was a young man? Obviously not. St Francis de Sales said "But I'm here among you to prevent something far worse for you. While those who give scandal are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, those who take scandal - who allow scandals to destroy their faith - are guilty of spiritual suicide."

What would you do if you had to attend Mass at a parish where you knew nothing about the priests? Deny yourself the Sacraments until you got to know which priest was good and which was bad? How long would that take? If on your deathbed would you deny yourself Last Rites because you didn't know enough about the priest administering them? You want to pick and choose what you want to believe and not believe that's up to you. You sound like all those "progressives" who doubt the Real Presence in the Eucharist or deny that life begins at conception. What else do you have a hard time believing: The Assumption? Immaculate Conception? Purgatory? The Magisterium? The Resurrection? The Incarnation? The virgin birth? Forgiveness of sins?

Go and give your parish priest, the one you like, a phone call and ask him if the efficacy of the Sacraments is dependent upon the worthiness of the priest and when he gives you the answer you don't want to hear, call him clueless, rude and unChristian. Whatever floats your boat kid, just don't claim to be a Catholic when you don't believe what the Catholic Church teaches.

34 posted on 09/09/2002 6:20:45 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: goldenstategirl
Thank you Chief Inquisitor. Oh if I could only have someone of your great holiness to guide me << great sarcasm >> Why don't you mind your own soul and stop casting stones at me and what you "perceive" I believe. You are clueless, rude and unChristian. You don't know the slightest thing about me and have completely misinterpreted what I said.

Your reaction is WAY over the top. Ever heard the expression, "a word to the wise is sufficient"? Smed knows exactly what he's talking about. Your posts were based on your uninformed opinion. He was not calling you a heretic, just cautioning you that you were treading on ground that had been declared heretical 1,600 years ago. And he's right. You owe him an apology.

Let me be the first to say that I have, on occasion, spoken some nonsense from my own uninformed opinion. Comments by folks like Smedley have forced me to research my claims and allowed me to come to a much better understanding of the Catholic faith. Rather than get all huffy and call them "inquisitors", I say thank you.
81 posted on 09/10/2002 8:03:14 PM PDT by Antoninus
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To: goldenstategirl
You don't know the slightest thing about me and have completely misinterpreted what I said.

Wow ... some firebrand posts, there, Goldengirl.

As a matter of fact, use of "BS" and assorted sailor lingo in a theological discussion as well as personal attacks (to include the linking of Smedley to Mahoney somehow) don't leave much room for misinterpretation and does tell the objective bystander quite a lot about you, I'm afraid.

158 posted on 09/11/2002 7:28:17 PM PDT by Askel5
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