Posted on 09/08/2002 7:30:52 PM PDT by american colleen
Sorry, I did quote you accurately. I cut this from the post:
Your position is known as the Donatist heresy and was dealt with by Saint Augustine in the fourth century.
Please check post 28, and then tell me if the above is not what the post says.
And how do you know that. I would say by the casual way you throw around your terms, you haven't evinced much understanding of the concept. You obviously don't understand Church history much, if you don't know the complexities of Donatism.
Then the schismatics and the orthodox Catholics fought. It was bloody as Hell. That battle still wages, but its one that, unfortunately must be fought. The remnant must survive. They must save the faith.
Now the orthodox Catholics fight the orthodox Catholics, over stupid misunderstandings, pride, and refusal to admit when one is wrong, or when ones' approach, while orthodox, was used as a weapon, not an instrument of Christ.
God have Mercy on us.
And so ends the Fellowship of the Ring?
What the Hell has happened to our Cathoilic Caucus, dammit?
How can the orthodox remnant survive, how can they save the Faith, when we bloody each other on this battlefield, and beat Christ's plowshares into swords?
God have Mercy on us all.
It just seems we've entered into a period where it is beyond human effort to evangelize and activism is non-productive, if not rendered counterproductive by the sins of our priests/hierarchy. God alone will straighten this out.
Time to shut up, back off, pray, and fast, and hope for divine intervention. Human words are simply falling on deaf ears, or being heard as words of attack.
This new phase we've entered, of internecine warfare not with liberals or schismatics but between orthodox members of the faithful remnant itself, is so troubling it can only be seen in apolcalyptic terms.
Another sign.
Who has eyes to see?
For more info, alhthough it looks like you have encapsulated it quite well.
Looks like good advice to me.
Some have said, "The time of Mercy is over. The time of Justice has begun."
I fear this is the beginnings of that time of Justice.
I hope you know I was trying to interject a little levity into a bad situation. :-)
I'm with sandyeggo here. She said "I am a faithful Catholic who has not read the encyclicals, can't name all the heresies, hasn't read all of the documents of Vatican II, but I truly love God, receive Holy Communion in reverence, try to live the Word of God in my daily life, and want to learn more about my faith every day. The fact that I don't know more is my own fault, which I am trying to rectify. "
One problem is that it is hard to know someone's intentions when we communicate via keyboard instead of in person. You have to just assume that the person has good intentions, because, IMO, most often, they do. Being Catholic is being part of a community, we are all responsible for one other, to a degree. It is a wonderful gift, and one that I'd not like to lose here on FR.
"appear" being the operative word! Who cares about posters that appear to know all! IMO, off the top of my head, the only ones I can think of are the ones who are of the opinion that John Paul II is not really the pope.
One thing I love about FR and the Catholic Caucus is the variety of posters, all with different strengths. Half the stuff people post goes over my head. I just keep plugging along praying for understanding!
No, I think we are rudderless right now. Waiting, waiting, waiting.
I think JPII is still at the rudder, fighting the storm. But in a storm of this magnitude it sure feels as if we are rudderless...
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