Posted on 09/08/2002 7:30:52 PM PDT by american colleen
While Father Z isn't sure about Mahony's plans for a priestless Church, he believes the archdiocesan hostility to traditional Catholicism has taken its toll on vocations. "I do know that a lot of priests have left. The cardinal likes a certain kind of priest. You can tell that they don't want vocations, because they do nothing to inspire vocations. He's purposely put a very liberal, feminist Sister (Kathy Bryant) as the vocations person.
"I think if we got a reasonable archbishop of Los Angeles, all of a sudden things would just switch. There's such a small minority of the real liberals and 'protestantized' Catholics that things would switch right away."
If Father Z's assessment of Mahony seems to contradict his gentle public image, Father Z is not alone in his view. Both Father Y and Father Z are firghtened of Mahony and spoke only on assurance of anonymity. "The cardinal is a tough man," one explained. "He will just crush you. He won't stop. I know of a priest who spoke out against something the cardinal was behind and he would not back off until the priest resigned. He even threatened to withdraw financial support. He has a lot of power because Los Angeles is one of the richest dioceses in the world and money is power. That's one of the biggest ways he throws his weight around.
"I pray for a real conversion (for Mahony). If he were to convert he would just be a powerhouse for the Church. He is a very engaging person. When he's in your presence, he really wins you over. He has a way of gauging you and he holds all his cards to his chest. He lets you break the ground and, once that happens, he's very agreeable to whatever you say. Everyone walks away from him saying, 'what a wonderful man!' When you're with him one on one, he really does fool you. It's when you find out what he's done later that you realize what you're dealing with, and it's not gentle. I know a lot of priests who have suffered under him. If you want holy priests, you need a holy bishop."
I attempted several times to reach Sister Kathy Bryant for response. She did not return my phone calls before this article went to press.
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My gosh, he was letting her know that this problem had been dealt with centuries ago, that's all. Time to hit "google" and do some research, like most of us have to do (well, me, anyway) and ask for help in understanding from the Holy Spirit.
Let's quit this subject and shake hands and hope GSG comes back. This is so stupid and such a waste of time!
I hope to God no lurkers who are on a spiritual search come across this thread. Horrible language, horrible attitudes and less than brotherly love is what they will find.
Have a good night.
Why not ask her to come back and hope that some of these heretic smiters do the same?
Good night to you too, Colleen
Good night to you, as well.
God bless us, one and all.
No one on this thread is a "heretic smiter" and you are making matters worse!
I'm kidding. This article says, in 2001, what Michael Rose is saying in 2002.
I don't know if we need fire-proof body armor or the ability to run with the "big dogs," but I think, as Christians, full of charity and love for one another, we should usually assume, especially on the first post exchanged, that another person isn't directly "dope slapping" you. It is hard at times to discern exactly what the other guy's intentions are, but if in doubt, give him the benefit.
You need to quote me accurately: Your position is known as the Donatist heresy Inaccurately quoting someone is irresponsible. Now do the responsible thing and post the quote where I explicitly called this ignorant person a heretic.
I understand the conditions and history far better than either she or you do. You obviously don't understand the danger goldenstategirl is in by rejecting a tenet of the Catholic faith. Instead of being an apologist for her and enabling her thin skinned vitriol you should have been trying to educate her as well. She could have responded with appreciation for being told her doubts had already been dealt with and she could have learned quite a bit in the process. Instead she has shown that she doesn't really believe in the Sacraments and when this was made known she stomps her feet, picks up her ball and goes home. This is akin to the reaction of a lot of alcoholics and narcotic addicts when they are confronted. They don't have a problem, it's everyone else who is screwed up.
Given her lack of knowledge of the Catholic faith she obviously doesn't possess the gray matter to be called a heretic, yet and she wasn't. That doesn't mitigate the fact that she is embracing heresy. My having been a staunch critic of Mahony both here and on other forums proves that her charge that I am "...the perfect accomplice for the Mahoneys(sic) of the world." is just another example of her ignorance.
Are you going to be as harsh a critic of her as you are of me or are you going to continue to cling to your double standard?
This is a bizarre question: Read the Scriptures and tell what John said wasn't written?????
I can't tell you all of the things that Jesus said and did that weren't recorded. But I can assure you that the things that were not recorded were not inconsistent or contradictory to the things that were written. Catholicism is totally inconsistent with what is written in the Scriptures.
My beliefs are based on the things that were recorded in the Scriptures (things that John said were sufficient), not on things imagined by men and claimed to be the things unwritten.
Huh???
There are no New Testament priests. The Apostles did not ordain any.
Sit up a little higher in your chair so the point doesn't sail so far over it. I'll spell it out simpler since comprehension isn't one of your strong points. In John 21:25 it is written that many of the things that Christ did were not recorded. Since you claim to be so knowledgable, apparently more so than the Apostles and the Church Fathers, what are the things that Christ did that were not written down? Seems simple and you should be able to fill us all in.
Catholicism is totally inconsistent with what is written in the Scriptures.
The Church that determined and closed the canon of the book, the Bible, in 405 AD that contains Scripture, preserved it from destruction, added chapter divisions to the Bible in the 12th century for ease in reading, preached and taught said Scripture for over 14 centuries without anyone changing said Scripture to justify a false man-made doctrine, is inconsistent with Scripture? You can air that out and fertilize your lawn with it. Pure nonsense.
My beliefs are based on the things that were recorded in the Scriptures (things that John said were sufficient), not on things imagined by men and claimed to be the things unwritten.
Scripture tells you that not everything Jesus did was recorded. Scripture tells you to uphold oral tradition of the Apostles that is not written down. So do you admit that you pick and choose what you choose to believe based on your own private interpretation of Scripture, which Scripture warns you not to do? Where is it written in Scripture, Scripture alone?
Saint Luke, Saint Paul and Saint Timothy prove you wrong. Thought you claimed to know Scripture.
Acts 14:22 "And when they had ordained to them priests in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, in whom they believed." By the way Acts was written by Saint Luke, an Apostle and chapter 14 deals with what Paul and Barnabas did in Iconium, Lystra, Pamphylia, Perge, Derbe and Antioch. Paul was an Apostle, Timothy 1:1. Christ Himself is a priest, Hebrews 5:10. It would behoove you to read Hebrews 7, 8 & 10 as well since your post makes it clear that you haven't.
Acts 14:23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.
If your quoting from the Catholic Bible proves there are NT priests, my quoting from the KJV proves that there are not.
You seem to think the original Scriptures were written in English. They were not.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Of course Christ is our High Priest. His single sacrifice has taken away our sins for all time. This is stated many times in the Bible. For Catholic "priests" to pretend to offer "sacrifices" every mass is in insult to the "final" saving work Christ performed.
Your quoting from the King James Version only proves that you rely on an abridged, edited, corrupted text which is noteworthy for its numerous errors and was created 12 centuries after the original.
You seem to think the original Scriptures were written in English. They were not.
Never wrote that. Your assumption is wrong.
So you are admitting that your earlier claim "There are no New Testament priests." was wrong.
His single sacrifice has taken away our sins for all time.
Christ died for our sins. Sin still exists and sins are still committed by us mere mortals. We will be forgiven our sins provided we follow the teachings of Christ.
For Catholic "priests" to pretend to offer "sacrifices" every mass is in insult to the "final" saving work Christ performed.
Your ignorance of Catholicism and Scripture is overwhelming. Catholic priests don't pretend to do any such thing. Catholic priests make present on the altar the very same sacrifice that occurred on Calvary as Christ instructed the Apostles to do at the Last Supper, explained in the Gospels and as Paul explains in 1 Corinthians. Next you'll probably accuse Catholics of being cannibals.
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