[ultima ratio]

Did you think the General Instruction was going to admit it was in contradiction to the Council of Trent? It is as deceptive as the liturgy itself. Here again is Cardinal Ratzinger:

"It may well be that kneeling is alien to modern culture--insofar as it is a culture, for this culture has turned away from the faith and no longer knows the One before whom kneeling is the right, indeed the intrinsically necessary gesture. The man who learns to believe learns also to kneel, and a faith or a liturgy no longer familiar with kneeling would be sick at the core. Where it has been lost, kneeling must be recovered." (The Angelus, citing Ratzinger, April 2002, p. 15.)

And again, speaking to the fact that the Council of Trent rejects the doctrinal deviations of the new Mass, he writes: "It is only by grasping that it results from the practical disqualification of Trent, that one can understand the exasperation that accompanies the fight against the possibility of still celebrating Mass according to the 1962 Missal." (Ibid., p. 19.)

[JMJ333]

Part of Catholic Tradition is to be obedient to lawful authority. We also have a centralized authority that defines and protects the Faith, and regulates the corporate worship of the Church. When we lose sight of that we must descend into the mash pits of Protestant sectarian chaos. My conscience, and my Catholic faith, tells me that I must obey lawful ecclesiastical authority, unless it commands me to do something immoral.

At any rate, if you believe that the bishops in union with the Pope are capable of instituting an invalid Mass and depriving the whole Catholic Church of valid sacraments, then you obviously do not believe in the indefectability of the Church.

It’s true that the Church’s infallability doesn’t extend to pastoral matters, but its authority certainly does. Do you go to Mass on a holy day of obligation? Why? Jesus never commanded that we must attend Mass on Holy days-- the feast of the Assumption, for example. That was a pastoral decision of the Church. Why do you consider yourself bound by that decision, when at the same time you deny that the Church’s authority extends to pastoral matters?

I seems to me that others who have been arguing with you are correct. You have become a Protestant. Your complaints against the Church may be different than those of the sixteenth-century Protestants, but the principle is the same. You both believe that the Church failed in a critical aspect of its mission, so much so that you must separate yourselves from her communion and worship elsewhere, in the backwaters and caves with the rest of the “faithful remnant.” The Protestants believed that the Church had corrupted her doctrines; you believe she has corrupted her sacraments. In both cases there is a lack of faith in the indefectability of the Church.

I have to go to Mass. I will pray for you.

[MarMema]

Didn't they really change the mass so that people would be more interested in attending? Wasn't it about being modern and staying with the times? Having a guitar at mass, etc?

Hasn't it always been a downfall of westernized Christianity that they push to conquer and win? To get the most numbers listed under their church heading in the guiness book. Even though the path has been described as narrow, it always seems to me that western churches are into the biggest numbers and expansion.

In fact it often seems to me that this greed and some of the vainglory attending these attempts are precisely the "prayers" which have been answered.
Almost as if our Lord said - Loss of piety and reverence, but lots of people, that's what you want? So be it.

Let the circus begin.

[sitetest]

Dear ultima ratio,

"'It may well be that kneeling is alien to modern culture--insofar as it is a culture, for this culture has turned away from the faith and no longer knows the One before whom kneeling is the right, indeed the intrinsically necessary gesture. The man who learns to believe learns also to kneel, and a faith or a liturgy no longer familiar with kneeling would be sick at the core. Where it has been lost, kneeling must be recovered.' (The Angelus, citing Ratzinger, April 2002, p. 15.) "

I don't think anyone takes your quotes seriously, ultima, especially of Cardinal Ratzinger, after our previous experience of tracking down what you quote, and finding that you've misrepresented whom you've quoted, especially Cardinal Ratzinger, or just made up the quote entirely.

Also, I assume that when you quote "The Angelus", you are referring to the house organ of the SSPX organization. Considering that this is an organization run by excommunicated people outside of the communion of the Holy Catholic Church, considering that none of its priests can offer a licit Mass, or generally offer a valid absolution in confession, nor validly marry Catholics, and that the Holy Father has warned all Catholics to avoid its services, because attendance thereto leads to a schismatic mentality, it is not, obviously, a reputable or reliable source of information for Catholics.

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