[yendu bwam]

The time for debunking the religious hammerlock grip on "things moral" has come.

There is no religious hammerlock on morality! I believe that Christian morality is correct, because I believe in God, in Jesus Christ, and the message They delivered to us. If you are an atheist, you can believe whatever you want. But as for real world ethical lessons - they only exist if you ALREADY have an idea of what is right and wrong (a morality). An atheist can choose any morality he wishes.

[thinktwice]

There is no religious hammerlock on morality

How many times on this thread alone has it been said --one way or another -- that morality comes only from God, and that a rational ethics is not possible?

[tpaine]

But as for real world ethical lessons - they only exist if you ALREADY have an idea of what is right and wrong (a morality).
126 - yb
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Absurd statement, easily demonstrated false by our earliest 'ethical' experiences.
IE - A toddler hurts a peer, and is 'hurt' in return, either by the other child, or disciplined by an adult. -- Neither child has attained the 'age of reason' or a sense of right or wrong, yet they both soon learn a "real world ethical lesson".

-- Do harm onto others, and they will do harm onto you.

Thus, -- Moralities DO exist, irregardless of beliefs. They are a product of real world cause & effect.
We need no 'god' to tell us what common sense illustrates.

[thinktwice]

I believe that Christian morality is correct, because I believe in God, in Jesus Christ, and the message They delivered to us. YB - 126

Considering Yb's belief that Christian morality is correct, Yb's implied asumption that no morals can exist without God being involved, and the subsequent yb - tpaine dialogue from posts 126 to 160, I'd like to ask yb to explain the pre-Christian existence of ethical and moral systems.