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To: ultima ratio
Dear ultima ratio,

Your point was that the Church only cracks down on dissident "traditionalists" and not dissident "liberals". The excommunications of these seven women, in a matter of days from their offense, belies your argument.

In both cases, people defied the pope. In both cases, people were excommunicated.

In your eyes, these silly women did a bad thing, and Archbishop Lefebvre did a good thing. But that is only your point of view.

In some ways, what Archbishop Lefebvre did was worse.

The silly play-bishop (the gentleman who performed the "ordinations", from what I have read, is not a real Catholic bishop, obedient, disobedient, or otherwise) who performed the silly play-ordinations was not abusing a sacred trust (the power to ordain) because he had no sacred trust to abuse. These folks were guily of nothing more than bad play-acting.

Archbishop Lefebvre, on the other hand, took the sacred trust given to him (the ability to consecrate bishops), and defied the Vicar of Christ in abusing that authority, your arguments that he was preserving the Catholic tradition notwithstanding. Remember that no matter how much the late archbishop may or may not have believed that he was justified to do what he did, the Supreme Pontiff of the Catholic Church did not share that opinion. And it is the view of the Supreme Pontiff that will determine whether or not one's act of disobedience results in excommunication.

To reiterate, the Church acted swiftly and harshly against these anti-Catholic dissidents of the left, just as she has against anti-Catholic dissidents of the right.

sitetest

299 posted on 08/08/2002 1:35:29 PM PDT by sitetest
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To: sitetest; ultima ratio
***To reiterate, the Church acted swiftly and harshly against these anti-Catholic dissidents of the left, just as she has against anti-Catholic dissidents of the right.***

Help me understand why the RCC tolerates the hiring a witch/Wiccan/pagan at one of it's universities to help teach religion.
300 posted on 08/08/2002 1:39:16 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: sitetest
Your view is that the all-knowing and all-wise "Supreme Pontiff" was right and the lowly, ignorant, and disobedient Archbishop was wrong?

Then how come the facts bear out the Archbishop? And how come his order is flourishing? And how come everything the Pope touches--except maybe his rock concerts--is collapsing?

By their fruits you will know them.
303 posted on 08/08/2002 1:49:10 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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