Replies

But you probably don't understand the implications of this. In fact I'm sure I just wasted my time typing that, but FWIW. I won't even bother pulling out Karl Popper.

Do men chose based on self preservation? Do men chose based on their own survival?

Rev 16:8   And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
   Rev 16:9   And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
   Rev 16:10   And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
   Rev 16:11   And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

Here are men at the mercy of God...They see God, they see His justice..yet they curse and blaspheme Him. They chew their tongues off rather than repent and praise God

WHY?

What is the differeence between them and the saints?

RNMom, I mean this in all sincerity and hope that you'll give up this nonsense & see the light.

Debating you is a waste of my time. At least the atheists I debate on this site understand logic when they see it. Aquinas, a hero of mine, brought forth the idea that God gave man reason to know the world, and that faith was and is rational and intellectually defensible.

Apparently, you're having none of that. You have contradicted yourself over and over again. Predestination is the belief that salvation is prefigured in advance by God. Free will means that man can freely choose good and evil, and salvation as well. These ideas are mutually exclusive. Apparently you believe they can be reconciled. I can't help you here.

You seem nice, but from now on you're on ignore. If you can't see the point I've been making by now, I can't help you.