Posted on 08/03/2002 6:33:43 AM PDT by NYer
The Shroud of Turin is a centuries old linen cloth that bears the image of a crucified man. A man that millions believe to be Jesus of Nazareth. Is it really the cloth that wrapped his crucified body, or is it simply a medieval forgery, a hoax perpetrated by some clever artist? Modern, twentieth century science has completed hundreds of thousands of hours of detailed study and intense research on the Shroud. It is, in fact, the single most studied artifact in human history, and we know more about it today than we ever have before. And yet, the controversy still rages.
Arguments against the Shroud's authenticity are prima facia, supported by carbon 14 dating and a prevailing view of the way things are in the world. On the other hand, the case for authenticity is a compelling preponderance of scientific and historic evidence. So daunting is the evidence that we can only wonder if, as postmodernists suggest, "no such thing as objective truth exists, that historic reality is an inherently enigmatic and endlessly negotiable bundle of free-floating perceptions."1 The alternative is to consider, as C. S. Lewis contends: rare exceptions to nature are possible.
On this hot and sultry day in August, I decided to post this thread for those who enjoy mystery, adventure and the thrill of discovery. There are many web sites devoted to this topic. I suggest you begin here:
It is the nature of man to seek signs and to worship relics and objects..
Amem!
It is the Nature of God to use Relics as a conduit of His Grace @ King, 8-14; The Mantle of Elijah
Exodus 7, 10 The Rod of Aaaron
Matt 9, 20-21 Matt 14-36 The hem of the Lord's garment
Acts 19,12
Acts 5, 15,16
I guess if God is ok with His Graces flowing through THOSE relics, we can conclude He is allright with the Shroud Of Turin despite your opposition
Now, imagine you actually saw it in person? Would you start lecturing those around you, or would you stop to think about the physical evidence before you?
The Shroud truly does reveal the thoughts of many....
Hezekiah would have tossed them out too..they are false gods..they have no power except those granted by God
The glory is Gods not the relic.
It reveals when a man that cannot worship the God of creation with out having some intermediator to talk to God for him. Or one that thinks God can not act unless some man intervenes. . pathetic
Worshipping the creature more than the creator
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Very true!!
The point being made here is that others have been brought to God through this "piece of cloth", as you call it. This is not an item to worship, but rather a burial cloth that brings one into a closer relationship with Christ. It is one thing to say that Jesus suffered, died and is now risen. It is quite different to understand the level of suffering He endured for you and me. It is most humbling and excrutiatingly painful to consider the Lamb being subjected to torment and ridicule so that we would be saved. In this "piece of cloth" is ALL the evidence of what He endured for ALL OF US.
The Shroud has no mystical properties. It stands as witness to the Truth - that Jesus Christ died so that we may live.
It shows that you do not know that we walk by faith not by sight (2Cor.5). It was the Jews who were always looking for 'signs'(1Cor.1:22)
Now that may not be true of you or me..but trust me people will flock expecting to see IT preform a miracle . Just like Moses pole..it will happen NYer
Amazing when I can say Amen to you huh??:>)
Amen! (2Cor.5:7)!
Yea, nothing unites Protestants more then Catholics! :>
That is my concern..Would satan use that to draw people away from God? You bettcha
This is just laughable. Here we have a death shroud with the image of a crucified man on it, resembling the Person of Jesus Christ. Could the Shroud have been preserved by the faithful or would it have been destroyed by the faithful? Read a couple of scientific books on it. It has absolutely nothing to do with being "relic happy" - and your saying that is speaking from knee-jerk, anti-Catholic bias. Thank God the books of the Bible were preserved by the faithful or you guys would be lost.
Where in this thread is anyone "worshipping" the Shroud? You people set up a straw man and then triumphantly knock your straw man down.
For pete's sake, at least read an unbiased account of the Shroud and go from there.
Have you read any of the books about it?
I guess it would be impossible for God to allow that His Son's death Shroud be preserved... and alarming for you that the Catholic Church has had possesion of the Shroud for centuries. Now I understand why you dismiss relics...
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