Posted on 07/26/2002 7:24:27 PM PDT by narses
This bears repeating. On another thread, the question was asked, "if there was no one in hell, wouldn't that mean there was no hell"?
Rather, shouldn't we all pray that there is no one in hell, so that the desire of Him who created us could be fulfilled?
Can you not acknowledge that there is Purgatory and that it is a much better place than Hell?
We should pray that there are no human souls in a place with no hope of union with the Creator.
St. Paul looks forward to the day when the same words will be applied to the Jews who rejected their Messiah (Rom 11:25): "A blindness in part has fallen upon Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles enter" the People of God. Then, Paul adds "all Israel will be saved" - will enter the kingdom of their Messiah.
You are more of a dissenter than I first thought. What in the HELL is the matter with you? According to you, we are to pray that the words of Our Redeemer are untrue?
Then He will also say to those on the left hand, Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41).
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:41-42.
Theres more but you just keep praying that there is no hell and, if there is, nobody is there.The fact is that we are to pray for individuals including sinners, regardless, many souls will be lost forever.
Matthew 7:13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it.
Does the Church teach that there are souls in hell? It certainly teaches that there are souls in heaven, but, to my knowledge, I've never seen a teaching about souls in hell.
I'm familiar with those Scriptures. There are differing interpretations of them, especially the last one, where Christ was likely referring analogically to a city gate in Jerusalem which had a very narrow opening to keep out invaders.
Calm down.
So suddenly you are willing to listen to what the Church teaches? Great, now give some thought to the teaching on artificail contraception.
1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, "eternal fire."[615] The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.
1056 Following the example of Christ, the Church warns the faithful of the "sad and lamentable reality of eternal death" (GCD 69), also called "hell."
1057 Hell's principal punishment consists of eternal separation from God in whom alone man can have the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.
Source from the Catechism
To borrow your phraseology, stuff it.
You had better know what your talking about before you tell someone to "stuff it", you half wit.
... I've never seen a teaching about souls in hell.
Haven't there been more than one message from Our Lady and Saints about the suffering souls in Hell?
For believers, this, of course, is true. For dissenters, give them the teaching from the Catechism and watch them tap dance.
Sound familiar, sinkspur? It's from the Canon of the of the Holy Mass pre VC II.
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