Did Communists Infiltrate the Catholic Church?

http://www.chuckmorse.com/communism_catholic_church.html ^ | Chuck Morse

[Podkayne]

Well there's more to worry about than communists in the church - they are like ghosts and witches under the bed. Very scarry until you go to sleep and ignore them.

If you REALLY want to lose sleep over the fate of Christianity contemplate the Sacrament of Confusion as promulgated by the Masons. There are more masonic officials in the Vatican than you care to know about. Pope Pius X was the replacement pope for a bona fide masonic pope - the goal of the masons since they began was to gut the church from the inside.

Remember - it's their goal to take the Christ out of Christianity.

As told in the gospel of Thomas, "Let them who would search, find and be disappointed">>>>

[St.Chuck]

Thanks for the link to this thread. I read through it and didn't discover anything that would compel me to give any validity the communist infiltration theory.

I did, however, enjoy reading Catholicguy's posts. I think he spoke for me on this one.

[narses]

Ping.

[kstewskis]

ping!

[MarMema]

great post, worth it's own thread..

[Coleus]

Yea, maybe I should, It's on my homepage. So, what made you go on this thread?

[MarMema]

A catholic was complaining about something to do with communism and catholics on a non-related thread. Then I saw this while looking at the sidebar.

[Coleus]

The communists will stop at nothing to destroy the largest institution in the world, the Catholic Church. Many of the popes warned us against it's evil concepts.

It's too bad so many communists infiltrated the holy priesthood, a well-planned action to bring down the church.

[MarMema]

You should really make a post of the thing about the UN and the writing under it. Ping me.

At work I just had mandatory shipping training for blood and other body fluid samples. Guess who wrote the rules? The UN.

[D-fendr]

Thomas Merton…wondering if he was really part of the plot…"

If he was part of a communist plot, he did a lousy job in my direction. His writing was a strong influence in my joining the Church.

[ninenot]

Obviously, the Communists per se are long gone.

That would come as a great shock to the CPUSA and its newspaper, the Daily Worker, still published.

If you mean Commies who run around with a neon sign on their coats--true, only a few of them are out there.

But infiltration 101 typically precludes wearing a sign.

[ninenot]

which conspiracy theory best explains the current state of the Church.

Satan.

[kjvail]

The classic refutation of Communism and Socialism in Catholic social thought (way too long to post in its entirity):

http://www.tfp.org/what_we_think/message/message_section1.htm

[ninenot]

PopCon also included GHWBush's wife, & Nixon.

[ninenot]

In the early Church one was FORBIDDEN to kneel at Mass

You have documentation?

[ninenot]

FORASMUCH as there are certain persons who kneel on the Lord's Day and in the days of Pentecost, therefore, to the intent that all things may be uniformly observed everywhere(in every parish), it seems good to the holy Synod that prayer be made to God standing.

HAMMOND: Although kneeling was the common posture for prayer in the primitive Church, yet the custom had prevailed, even from the earliest times, of standing at prayer on the Lord's day, and during the fifty days between Easter and Pentecost. Tertullian, in a passage in his treatise De Corona Militis, which is often quoted, mentions it amongst other ohservances which, though not expressly commanded in Scripture, yet were universally practised upon the authority of tradition. "We consider it unlawful," he says, "to fast, or to pray kneeling, upon the Lord's day; we enjoy the same liberty from Easter-day to that of Pentecost." De Cor. Mil. s. 3, 4. Many other of the Fathers notice the same practice, the reason of which, as given by Augustine; and others, was to commemorate the resurrection of our Lord, and to signify the rest and joy of our own resurrection, which that of our Lord assured. This canon, as Beveridge observes, is a proof of the importance formerly attached to an uniformity of sacred rites throughout the Church, which made the Nicene Fathers thus sanction and enforce by their authority a practice which in itself is indifferent, and not commanded directly or indirectly in Scripture, and assign this as their reason for doing so: "In order that all things may be observed in like manner in every parish" or diocese.

HEFELE: All the churches did not, however, adopt this practice; for we see in the Acts of the Apostles(xx. 36 and xxi. 5) that St. Paul prayed kneeling during the time between Pentecost and Easter. This canon is found in the Corpus Juris Canonici. Decretum, Pars III, De Cone. Dist. III. c.

x.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/nicea1.txt

Well, perhaps.

The Canon is cited in its entirety, along with commentary--names of commentators are in caps.

Clearly, although Nicea decided that "for uniformity" standing was preferable (thus enjoined,) the practice was sanctioned by such as St. Paul.

Evidently many followed the practice of kneeling, (some regardless of Nicea's command) and the practice returned.

We can conclude that the "Sensus Fidelium" was in favor of kneeling, as it is today.

[Catholicguy]

We can conclude that the "Sensus Fidelium" was in favor of kneeling, as it is today.

I don't think so. In fact, Liturgical History and Church architecture teaches us the opposite. When were kneelers first installed in Churches and was the imposition of kneeling as mandatory readily accepted by the Christian Comunity?

[ninenot]

Doesn't make any difference. You just don't like the results of sensus fidelium. Tough cookies.

[Catholicguy]

Doesn't make any difference. You just don't like the results of sensus fidelium. Tough cookies

LOL. Nicea wasn't part of the Sensus Fidelium ?

[Catholicguy]

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06423a.htm