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To: Catholicguy
Better yet, YOU do it. Substantiate your charge.

Read this article above. One need not go to TCRNews.com to substantiate the charge. Here is Hand's title:

When The Pope's Friends Walk Away

Here is the opening paragraph:

A number of disturbing reports are heard lately that some of the Holy Father's former friends are in danger of collapsing in the storms; collapsing into the chaos of selective obedience, into the dangers of private judgment's non sequiturs. Michael Rose is trucking with pope-bashers and marketing his books through them, Robert Sungenis is rashly attacking the Pope on Assisi, Patrick Madrid is selling his books at a notorious pope-trashing website and giving "exclusive" excerpts to that site which also peddles the works of the worst schismatics

For God's sake, read what Hand is saying here.

He just said that Robert Sungenis and Pat Madrid, two of Catholicism's premier apologists, are former friends of the Pope and have walked away from JPII.

He calls web sites and their operators "pope-trashing schismatics."

Sorry, you've hitched your wagon to the wrong star, CG. I stand by what I said. Hand is just as bad as those he rashly judges.

108 posted on 07/25/2002 3:58:18 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
He was certainly vicious with me. I am far more likely to pay attention to a rational, reasoned argument like patent makes than a name calling firebrand who knows nothing about me or the spiritual journey I have made to Our Lord.
112 posted on 07/25/2002 4:13:23 PM PDT by narses
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To: Polycarp
I state unequivicolly that http://www.TCRnews.com - which is run by Stephen Hand - is the finest source of orthodox Catholic news and opinion I have found and I trust it to the Nth degree. Opinion is always labeled as such. Orthodox views from the left (not many exist, to be sure) and right are offered - and paradigms of the left and right are rightly challenged. In my estimation, Hand calls all to authentic Catholicism.

I suppose it is easy for me to acknowledge the balance offered by Hand because I have no history with him and no reason to secpnd guess him or his motives - though I can understand that some do both and perhaps with cause.
126 posted on 07/25/2002 7:12:44 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Polycarp
Sorry, you've hitched your wagon to the wrong star,

My wagon is hitched to the Barque of Peter, the Ark of Salvation and I see no sense in hectoring the Captain of the ship.

RE your parable, Hand is on board (he never walked the plank of private judgement) - warning certain others of the dangers near the shoals of schism. He has seen others leave the Barque (Remnant, SSPX etc) and, rightly, wonders if they will make it back aboard. If one looks about, one sees MANY who are weak in Faith and doubt the ability of the Captain to keep the Barque on course. They set-out in their little lifeboats, on their own, and they use their rolled-up periodicals as megaphones to scream at the Captain - "This way to safety" - never realising they are about to be dashed on the rocks of the recalcitrant right and may not make it back to the Barque. <p. Ultimately, of course, God is in control and I think we should all agree to abandon this parable as I am becoming green around the gills trying to force a response into it :)

180 posted on 07/26/2002 4:50:09 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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