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To: narses
I have read more than once that many in the upper reaches of the Curia feel that the USCCB is de facto in schism.
I don’t see how we can act based on rumors of an opinion or two by members of the Curia.
If schism is defined as seperation from Rome, can you not see the validity of the arguments of necessity?
No. The Pope himself issued the excommunication. If the excommunication were issued by the Bishops who are accused of being schismatic, then it is possible, I suppose, to say it was necessary to Consecrate the Bishops.

But how can you respond to people who won’t obey the Pope, and are therefore in your opinion schismatic, by refusing to obey the Pope yourself, and therefore becoming schismatic as well? Two wrongs don’t make a right, no matter how necessary you think it is.

Look at the posts by freepers who report abuses that clearly invalidate the sacraments, honey bread or pita bread used as "hosts" for example.
Go find a better Mass. I don’t know of any jurisdiction where you can’t at least find a Mass using valid matter.
When the priestly formation has degraded to that point, when the teachings of the Church on such essential issues as life itself get changed and massaged, can you truly not see the argument of necessity?
No. Schism is not a valid response to schism.

Dominus Vobiscum

patent  +AMDG

106 posted on 07/25/2002 3:46:43 PM PDT by patent
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To: patent
You seem far more certain than I am about the ability of all to find a Mass that not only uses valid matter but valid form and intention. If the priestly formation is so awful that a diocesan priest doesn know that pita bread is invalid matter, how well is his intention formed? And the ignorance of the rubrics is, in some areas, just as pervasive.
107 posted on 07/25/2002 3:53:35 PM PDT by narses
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