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You seem far more certain than I am about the ability of all to find a Mass that not only uses valid matter but valid form and intention. If the priestly formation is so awful that a diocesan priest doesn know that pita bread is invalid matter, how well is his intention formed? And the ignorance of the rubrics is, in some areas, just as pervasive.
107 posted on 07/25/2002 3:53:35 PM PDT by narses
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To: narses
You seem far more certain than I am about the ability of all to find a Mass that not only uses valid matter but valid form and intention.
Valid form is very brief, it is simply the words of Consecration, not the whole Canon. Valid matter is pretty easy to tell, and I’ve been to many, many different parishes. Valid intention is to simply do as the Church does, and is again, very unlikely to be missing. You have a fear, but how much evidence supports that fear? How many parishes have you heard of that use invalid matter? To the best of my knowledge, it is very rare. A parish in Massachusetts, one of the more liberal places to be Catholic, took a public relations beating because they refused to use a rice host instead of a wheat host.
If the priestly formation is so awful that a diocesan priest doesn know that pita bread is invalid matter, how well is his intention formed? And the ignorance of the rubrics is, in some areas, just as pervasive.
I would be very surprised to arrive up in heaven and find that there were very many priests who did not know the Church teaches that pita bread is invalid matter.

Most of the priests who substitute this other material know the Church’s teachings, they just reject them. Mainly, they reject the belief in the Real Presence, and they substitute this material to make their point. Some of them admit it bluntly. Others claim they don’t know. I’m not sure I find the protests of ignorance credible, those few times they may occur.

patent  +AMDG

109 posted on 07/25/2002 4:03:37 PM PDT by patent
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