[Jeff Chandler]

The guy doesn't like English? Oh, come on, Sinky! Please don't take us for fools. We all know what's going on here, and what the end game is.

The bishops desire to change the ancient, vertical, God-centered worship into a modern, horizontal, community-centered sharing. Catholic Churches become Catholic Communities. The Sacrifice of the Mass becomes the communal meal. This tranlation tiff is just the latest skirmish in a long battle between the Roman Catholic Church and "we the church".

Like all liberals, they understand the power of incrementalism. "Oh pooh, all this fuss over a couple words. Ridiculous! Don't be so petty, you stodgy bureaucrats- just do it MY way and let's get on with it."

[livius]

"...they understand the power of incrementalism."

You're absolutely right. A word here and a word there.

The things that the ICEl was attempting to pass off as innocent mistranslations, however, were clearly wholesale attempts to shift the emphasis of the Mass and even, in some cases, to seriously blunt traditional Catholic teaching. The ICEL changes also seemed to involve rearranging large parts of the liturgy, something which can in no way be considered a mere translation matter.

[narses]

The bishops desire to change the ancient, vertical, God-centered worship into a modern, horizontal, community-centered sharing. Catholic Churches become Catholic Communities. The Sacrifice of the Mass becomes the communal meal. This tranlation tiff is just the latest skirmish in a long battle between the Roman Catholic Church and "we the church".

At what point do they/have they succeed(ed)? How many times have Masses been said so flawed as to be invalid? (Pita bread as a "host" for example was talked about here last week.)

[RobbyS]

A focus on transcendent realities in the Latin prayers too often shifts in the English prayers to a focus on the interior dispositions and desires of those who pray.

In other words, from Catholic to Protestant-like emphasis.