Letter of Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos to Mgr. Fellay

Una Voce` ^

[Antoninus]

FYI, the uncharitable tone in your posts will not win you many converts ... you almost seem not to want a reconcilliation between the Vatican and SSPX. Tell me, if they were to reconcile on exactly the terms the SSPX has demanded, what would your reaction be? Just curious.

Also, isn't it mildly ironic that someone who has such hostility toward the "traditional" languages of the Mass, would choose a Greek FR screen name?

[sitetest]

Dear Antoninus,

LOL. I like how you (re-)interpreted that.

Nonetheless, the older I get, the more I appreciate the desire of our Holy Father to avoid formal schism.

sitetest

[sinkspur]

Hate to tell you, but the Latin mass generates a lot of interest among young people -- particularly those of us who grew up in the era of gross liturgical "innovation.

I'm sure it does in your world. But the numbers simply don't bear out the "lot of interest" that many of the (to paraphrase your words) "overly optimistic" here on FR keep insisting is out there.

In addition, there's a lot of difference between the Novus Ordo in Latin and the Tridentine Mass. The Novus Ordo is normative; even the Pope is not in favor of allowing the Tridentine Mass to supplant the Novus Ordo. That's why I can't, for the life of me, figure out where all these SSSP priests are going to find work. Bishops are simply not going to establish more than one or two "Latin only" parishes in a diocese.

[sinkspur]

Tell me, if they were to reconcile on exactly the terms the SSPX has demanded, what would your reaction be? Just curious.

They won't. Go up and read Williamson's second later, dated June 1 of this year.

Williamson will simply take those who will never reconcile, call his gaggle the SSPX, and continue on.

Fellay may reintegrate, but, judging from the bullheadedness of the SSPXer's on this site, he might be the only one who does.

[patent]

That's why I can't, for the life of me, figure out where all these SSSP priests are going to find work. Bishops are simply not going to establish more than one or two "Latin only" parishes in a diocese.

LOL. Just how many SSPX priests do you think there are? Take the existing one Latin only parish in the diocese (some of them, anyway), add a second for an SSPX priest, and you are going to have to find a whole lot more SSPX priests to fill all the spots. Anyway, whatever happens, finding work for priests will probably be the smallest problem.

patent  +AMDG

[sinkspur]

Patent, I was referring to the Fraternity of St. Peter priests (I used the wrong abbreviation), who are being trained in the Tridentine liturgy with the blessing of Rome.

Even Bruskewitz's Lincoln diocese has only one Latin Mass parish. I don't know of any Latin Mass parishes in all of Texas, except for those of the Anglican-use.

I've always felt that the best thing for the SSPX is to give it it's own rite, but people like Fellay don't want that. They want to be mainstream, and that will never happen.

Then you've got the Williamson's, who won't reconcile under any circumstances.

[Domestic Church]

You haven't been here long enough to realize that I have for months been saying to others in the Catholic Caucus to stay focused on the Eucharist. You presume too much.(And by the way I probably am old enough to be your Aunt.)

[ELS]

when a question is answered

Where did you answer the questions he asked you in reply #61?

[Domestic Church]

"when a question is answered, Antonius says the "tone" is now the problem. I shall have to take singing lessons!"

Honestly, you do come across spiteful at times.

[patent]

Patent, I was referring to the Fraternity of St. Peter priests (I used the wrong abbreviation), who are being trained in the Tridentine liturgy with the blessing of Rome.

Heck, they’re even smaller.

Then you've got the Williamson's, who won't reconcile under any circumstances.

Yep. There is always a Remnant that will resist Rome.

patent  +AMDG

[Sock]

Honestly, you do come across spiteful at times.

Careful! He may call you a rascal too.

The last refuge of a traditionalist rascal is to pretend to psychoanalyse the holder of a position.

I'd say he's wound up pretty tight for a Kumbaya Katholic. ;-)

[Sock]

I happen to love the Tridentine rite.

That would be the "bells and smells" refernce in one of your earilier posts?

[ELS]

You poor myopic fellows miss the forest for the trees, so obsessed with externals and forms that you can no longer rejoice in the real Presence of Jesus Christ!

Lex orandi, lex credendi

How do you explain a lack of belief in the Real Presence by a majority of Catholics today?(I'm sure you won't think the lack of reverence in the Mass, the hiding of the tabernacle, etc. has anything to do with it.)

[Sock]

...so obsessed with externals and forms...

Yes, by all means, let's have "liturgical flexibility" Bring on the guitars and the dancing girls.

Liturgical Flexibility