Posted on 07/18/2002 3:10:53 PM PDT by narses
Letter of Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos to Mgr. Fellay (English translation by Mr. Ken Jones, Una Voce St. Louis)
The Vatican, April 5, 2002
Dear Brother in the Lord:
Since the beginning of our fraternal contacts to find a way toward full communion, I believe that we have experienced the solicitude of our merciful Lord: truly he has not spared us His aide and His support, to gather together all the good things that unite us and overcome what still divides us.
I read at the time attentively, in prayer and not without suffering, your letter of last June 22. I have also studied certain documents concerning our conversations, written by members of the Fraternity of St. Pius X, published on the Internet and disseminated by other means of communication. I have also reread the letters of the bishops of the Society of St. Pius X, the interviews granted by Your Excellency and the letters that you have sent me.
Until today, for my part, I have never agreed to grant interviews on the subject, in order to maintain the privacy of the details of our dialogue: for me they have always had a provisional and discreet character, because of the great responsibility that I feel in conscience for this matter. It now seems to me opportune, for the love of truth, to clarify here several aspects of the development of this reconciliation, with the intention of imparting a new impetus, to be frank, to move beyond possible suspicions and misunderstandings that compromise the outcome that, I have no doubt, Your Excellency also desires.
The subject that we are considering will have, in fact, particularly important historical consequences, because it touches the unity, the truth and the holiness of the Church, and it is necessary therefore to treat it with charity but also with objectivity and truth. Our sole judge is Christ the Lord.
Permit me now to give a brief historical overview of our journey:
First of all, I must reiterate a historical truth, at the root of everything. My first initiative was not the result of a Pontifical mandate and was not the fruit of an agreement or project of some other person from the Apostolic See, contrary to what has been written and rumored, as if it was a matter of a definite strategy. As I have already had the occasion to say several times, the dialogue was completely my own personal initiative.
In the second week of August 2000, on returning from Colombia, I learned through the media that was available on the airplane, and only through it, that the Society of St. Pius X was participating in the Jubilee. On my own initiative, and without speaking to anyone about it, I decided to invite the four bishops of the Fraternity to a private dinner with me. The meeting with brother bishops would be a gesture of fraternal love, the occasion of a reciprocal exchange. I therefore had the joy of meeting Your Excellency, as well as Their Excellencies Tissier and Williamson. As you will recall, we did not discuss any subject thoroughly, even if, naturally, we did speak about the liturgical rites, and I was able to become familiar with several aspects of the current life of your Fraternity. I manifested publicly the good impression that the aforementioned Prelates made on me.
I subsequently gave an account of this meeting to the Holy Father, and I received from him words of encouragement. I expressed a desire to maintain contacts to explore the possibilities of this much hoped for unity. The Sovereign Pontiff asked me to continue, and he manifested his clear will to accommodate the Society of St. Pius X, by promoting the conditions necessary for this accommodation. Some time later I read, with a private satisfaction, the interview granted by Your Excellency to the magazine 30 Days. The journalist put these words on your lips: "If the Holy Father calls me I come, or rather I run." I had occasion to speak with the Holy Father about this interview, in which Your Excellency expressed freely and spontaneously his thought: the Holy Father indicated to me, one more time, his generous will to accommodate your Fraternity.
As a result, I contacted Cardinals Angelo Sodano, Secretary of State for His Holiness, Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Jorge Medina Estevez, Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, as well as with His Excellency Mgr. Julian Herranz, President of the Pontifical Council for the Interpretation of Legislative Texts. All manifested their satisfaction with a view to an eventual solution of the difficulties. I also consulted Cardinals Paul Augustin Mayer and Alfons Marie Stickler, who were of the same opinion. It is thus that we studied the fundamental theological problems, already present in 1988 when an accord with His Excellency Mgr. Lefebvre was prepared. It did not seem to us that there have been any new problems. Then we began studying several juridical forms that would make a reintegration possible; this appeared very much desirable. Throughout history, the desire for unity has always been a constant for the See of Peter.
To all it seemed appropriate, if Your Excellency agreed, that the undersigned could proceed to a new dialogue of a provisional character. It was not a matter of discussing theological problems in depth, but preparing the way for reconciliation.
I therefore invited Your Excellency by letter; you amiably accepted the invitation and the meeting took place on Dec. 29, 2000.
As Your Excellency knows well, we then studied the possibility of reconciliation and of the return to full communion, as a very concrete and special fruit of the Jubilee. We concluded with a dinner at my residence, attended also by the Rev. Michel Simoulin, in a very cordial and fraternal climate.
Informed of this new reunion, and despite the amount of work he had in the last days of the great Jubilee, the Holy Father received you with the Abbe Simoulin on Dec. 30, 2000 in his private chapel. After a few minutes of silent prayer, the Holy Father said the Our Father, followed by those present, then he wished them a Holy Christmas. He blessed them by offering several rosaries and encouraged them to continue the dialogue undertaken.
In the same Apostolic Palace and in the presence of the personal secretaries of the Holy Father, I read to Your Excellency a Protocol regarding the dialogue of the preceding day, which would be sent to the Sovereign Pontiff. You have expressed your agreement by specifying two points: 1) the prayer for the Pope in the Canon of the Mass was not your decision but was a prior provision of Mgr. Lefebvre; 2) reservation about Vatican II especially regarding religious liberty, since the rights of God over the public order could not be limited. The secretary took notes in order to make a report to the Holy Father.
For further clarity, permit me to transcribe here the aforesaid protocol:
More (27 pages more) at the link.
LOL !!!
What is unedifying is the attack by SmallStillVoice against Dr. Kopp, who is a better Catholic than I could hope to be.
"Mr. Kopp's very strange threats with guns, claims of getting threats at home, and of 'homosexuals,' and then putting up his phone number on the Web!"
Well, perhaps you think it is strange. I, on the other hand, have been at FR for a while, and have seen that some posters have received credible threats by the less-than-stable. I view Brian's reminder that he legally carries a weapon as a reminder to the loonies here that actions have consequences. I'm sorry that you see his legitimate response to StillSmallVoice's lunatic accusations as the strange part of all this.
"Trace the calls, Mr. Kopp, via the phone company operator if you are really getting threats at home and must brandish your gun (and phone number!!!) at the same time! Trace the call and bring the culprit to court."
Having been on the receiving end of this sort of thing, myself, I know that the phone company and the authorities aren't terribly interested in doing anything about it. At least, they weren't when my wife was receiving these sorts of calls.
"I too noticed narses and polycarp writing in the same linguistic style and on the same topics."
You need to re-read what I wrote, as you have gotten it absolutely backwards. My own analysis is that the writing and linguistic style are markedly different.
"I thought he was only an extreme trad, now I think he is volatile and that this whole thread should be deleted!"
Brian isn't actually a trad. He is sympathetic toward them, but sometimes thinks trads get a bit out of hand. I agree with Brian, both in his sympathy, and for his views that sometimes they go a little too far. Or even a lot too far, in the case of the schismatics. Brian is very unsympathetic toward the ones who are either just this side of schism, or just on the other side.
Narses, you will see, is mostly a trad, but in no way schismatic. However, narses is much more sympathetic to those who find themselves not in full communion with our Holy Father.
I hope this thread isn't deleted. It shows some people in a bright light, which is a good thing.
"He gave us FAR too much information about his combustible self."
It's all information that's been put up here, before, for good or ill.
Brian isn't "combustible". He's tired. He's tired because the harvest is great and the laborers are few. And when he's tired, he gets emotional.
Should you find yourself laboring in the Lord's fields as hard as Brian, you may find yourself tired and emotional, as well.
sitetest
...and it's really me.
patent
Ooooh, to slow, already gone. ;-)
patent
I THINK I'm me! But let me look...
Yep. It's me, all right.
God bless you, too.
Please note post #206 where Mr. Hand quotes himself, er..., "theotokos" relays a "message" from Mr. Hand. How charitable to insult Brian as a professional. Always a sign of a really devout, faithful, charitable Catholic.
Good night.
sitetest
Deo Gratias!
Let's pray a rosary (to the real Theotokos) for him/her.
We thank you.
patlycarptestnarels
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