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Letter of Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos to Mgr. Fellay
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Posted on 07/18/2002 3:10:53 PM PDT by narses

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To: Bud McDuell
Just speaking for myself, I hope patent comes back at you with the Dies Irae :)
221 posted on 07/22/2002 7:13:26 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Bud McDuell
Just speaking for myself, I hope patent comes back at you with the Dies Irae :)
Why bother? McDuell slams JPII as having done nothing for the faith in the last 25 years. I ask McDuell what he has done, and apparently his response is that the only thing he has done is type/sing Kumbayah. At least he is consistent(ly vacuous).

Doesn’t seem to me he could handle the Dies Irae, though I do have to admire your recommendation. It fits.

patent  +AMDG

222 posted on 07/22/2002 7:40:35 AM PDT by patent
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To: Catholicguy
Just speaking for myself, I hope patent comes back at you with the Dies Irae :)

Here you go!

Dies irae, dies illa
solvet saeclum in favilla,
teste David cum Sibylla.

Quantus tremor est futurus,
quando judex est venturus,
cuncta stricte discussurus.

Personally, I prefer Hector Berlioz' version, although some are partial to Mozart. :-)
223 posted on 07/22/2002 7:51:09 AM PDT by COBOL2Java
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To: COBOL2Java
...some are partial to Mozart :-)

I love his whole Requiem.

Dies Irae

224 posted on 07/22/2002 8:09:45 AM PDT by Sock
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To: Sock
Thanks for the link! In my Junior year at Catholic University I was a bass in the chorus, and we performed Mozart's Requiem in the Crypt Chapel of the Shrine. I still burst into song whenever I hear it performed on the radio (my favorite part for the bass is Quantus tremor est futurus and quando judex est venturus, cuncta stricte discussurus). I get some strange looks from my daughter and grandson if they're riding with me in the car! :-)
225 posted on 07/22/2002 8:21:36 AM PDT by COBOL2Java
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To: Antoninus
Reconcile with the SSPX first, then start splitting heads over here, using newly integrated SSPX priests as shock troops?

That would be an insanely wonderful event. O Lord, if it is Thy will, please let this come to pass!

Yours in Christian Fraternity,

B-chan

226 posted on 07/22/2002 8:21:59 AM PDT by B-Chan
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To: narses
Anglican Use bump
227 posted on 07/22/2002 8:26:40 AM PDT by B-Chan
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To: B-Chan
It looks like you Texicans dominate that use. How wonderful to see.
228 posted on 07/22/2002 8:30:16 AM PDT by narses
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To: narses
the Pope as the head of the Church .."

No they do not. They are in opposition to his authority. They usurp both Jurisdiction and Ministry and they are schismatic. No matter where they go, they are intruding on the Jurisdiction of legitimate Catholic Bishops and they exercise an unjust and illicit ministry.

One watches their actions and turns an deaf ear to their duplicitious pronouncemnets of accepting the Pope

229 posted on 07/22/2002 8:43:13 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: narses
People know when they're getting the Real Thing. Our Anglican Use parish packs 'em in at all four Sunday masses; even the weekday low mass and Thursday night Mass for the Church are well-attended. We have no altar girls, extraordinary ministers, hula dancers, puppets, masks, clay pots or banjo pickers. We do have a married priest, but he was married before he was Catholic, so he's 100% in obedience to Rome (and we have a certificate on the wall of the narthex signed by His Holiness John Paul II to prove it!).

In obedience to the Pope and Magisterium, I honor the so-called Novus Ordo as the normative use of the Roman Rite, but I'm also thankful that there are alternatives; it doesnn't have to be a question of either the Tridentine mass or the Novus Ordo! The Anglican Use of the Roman Rite is a mass in the grand Tradition of Christian worship, and my hope is that it will serve as a mustard seed of liturgical orthodoxy.

If you get the chance, please visit an Anglican Use mass in your area. I promise a beautiful, orthodox, dignified, and above all Catholic worship experience.

Yours in Christian Fraternity,

B-chan

230 posted on 07/22/2002 8:46:42 AM PDT by B-Chan
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To: sitetest; Siobhan; eastsider; Salvation; patent; All; *Catholic_list; kstewskis; saradippity; ...
And when he's tired, he gets emotional.

My greatest weakness.

Thank you for the subsequent defense. This victory (the banning of the psychotic theotokos) goes hand in Hand (oops) with the other news I have to report this morning.

The meeting this morning, with the abuse victim, his mom, our bishop, the archabbot, and myself went very well.

The victim is no longer suicidal, and is receiving satisfactory treatment for his depression. We got everything we asked for, including coverage for his substance abuse counseling, help with his bills accrued during the time he was institutionalized for suicidal threats, their pledge to intercede on his behalf with the court regarding the victim's DUI charges, and the promise to pay for homosexual reparative therapy in the future if the victim chooses (even if he has to travel 4 hours to a doc in Philadelphia recommended to me by Fr. Harvey from Courage.)

This alone was a major victory. Our bishop's psychologist, David Brown, who screens our seminarians, has publicly stated that reparative therapy for homosexuals is bogus. For them to agree to it in this meeting is a major victory and another rebuke to Brown, psychologist mentioned in Michael Rose's book "Goodbye Good Men."

The offending priest has had all his faculties removed. He's not even allowed to say private mass. He has been removed from all interaction with the public.

The victim is returning to Church and the sacraments. (Years ago his mother gave him a Benedictine crucifix blessed by JPII. He had never worn it. After I met with him a week ago and he saw me wearing my 3 inch benedictine cross publicly, he got his out and started wearing it for the first time.)

He will start counseling for the homosexual abuse itself very soon with a friend of mine, a very orthodox Catholic counselor.

Thank you all again, for your charity and prayers for this man!!!

231 posted on 07/22/2002 9:29:37 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: B-Chan
If you get the chance, please visit an Anglican Use mass in your area. I promise a beautiful, orthodox, dignified, and above all Catholic worship experience.

Do you have a link to a nationwide list of those Parishes which celebrate it?

232 posted on 07/22/2002 9:33:38 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Polycarp
Wonderful!
233 posted on 07/22/2002 9:35:43 AM PDT by patent
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To: Polycarp
Very good news!
234 posted on 07/22/2002 9:36:20 AM PDT by ELS
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To: american colleen; Siobhan
I'm not sure this is really you or possibly rnmomof7. What's the code word???

Code word?!? We don't need no stinkin' code word.

Us KoC type Catholics, we use secret handshakes, remember?


235 posted on 07/22/2002 9:37:07 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
Dear Polycarp,

Thanks for the news. That's wonderful. I'll continue to remember the young man in my prayers, especially that those in ecclesiastic authority now live up to their promises.

sitetest

236 posted on 07/22/2002 9:37:41 AM PDT by sitetest
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To: Polycarp
Deo Gratias!
237 posted on 07/22/2002 9:46:38 AM PDT by narses
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To: sitetest
"I thought he was only an extreme trad,

Brian isn't actually a trad. He is sympathetic toward them, but sometimes thinks trads get a bit out of hand.

Extreme Trad? LOL! Tell that to the bongo drum and guitar playing choir at the Novus Ordo mass I attended yesterday. I thought extreme trads (like myself?) only attended schismatic Latin Masses?!? Heck, I barely make it to one Indult Latin Mass per year.

Extreme Trad? LOL! Don't tell my pastor at my Novus Ordo parish! He won't let me teach our Novus Ordo CCD class to the 10th and 11th graders for the sixth year running! Heck, he probably won't even let my oldest son serve his first Novus Ordo mass as an altar boy this fall. This could ruin my reputation!

By the way, after our meeting this morning, my bishop, Joseph Adamec, warmly shook my hand and said, "So nice to finally meet you in person, Dr. Kopp."

I am certainly glad I can't read thoughts...

238 posted on 07/22/2002 9:46:47 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
Deo Gratias!
239 posted on 07/22/2002 9:46:48 AM PDT by narses
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To: Polycarp
Thanks for the good news! I'll remember that young man in my rosary this evening.
240 posted on 07/22/2002 9:48:03 AM PDT by COBOL2Java
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