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Have faith: Why women will be priests
Chicagotribune.com ^ | July 14, 2002 | Prof. Garry Wills

Posted on 07/14/2002 7:40:50 AM PDT by heyheyhey

Edited on 07/14/2002 11:32:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The Catholic Church, that claims to learn from the ages through which it has perdured, will learn in time that policies formed when women were considered inferior cannot survive in our day.

Some claim that the pedophile-priest scandal has nothing to do with the mandatory celibacy rule for Roman Catholic priests. But a majority of Catholics agree that "priestly celibacy increases the chances of sexual abuse"--51 percent in a Dallas Morning News poll and 52 percent in a Canadian News poll. This is a matter of common sense. How can anyone doubt that the abuse of minors would not have spread so far in secret if priests' wives or women priests had been part of the church's structure? Recent articles have noted how many of the whistle-blowers in recent business scandals have been women. They were not bound by the boys' club rules of the past.

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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; ninenot
Thanks for the correction.
Ninenot, you were right. I nodded :)
101 posted on 07/18/2002 7:01:57 AM PDT by heyheyhey
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To: TotusTuus; american colleen
Garry, you're an inspiration…

Hence my selection of the “keywords” :)

102 posted on 07/18/2002 7:02:09 AM PDT by heyheyhey
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To: Mike Fieschko
I think that Aristotle, whose forte was biology, would not have adopted the doctrine of the quickening if he had had a microscope. If he could have seen a sperm penetrate the ovuum and witnessed the beginnings of the "motion" that indicates life he would have had a different opinion. His philosophy, after all, was based on his personal observations. Aquinas was simply following the master in his conclusions. As I recall, Duns Scotus believed in conception as the first moment of life because he supported the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. So brilliant were his arguments in favor of it that the Church accepted them and rejected the contrary views of Aquinas. So, theology finds the truth, some four hundred years before science verifies the process of epigenesis.
103 posted on 07/18/2002 8:33:26 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: maestro
...they are Haters of the 66 books of The Holy Bible...

Psst,... the Canon of Holy Scripture contains 73 books!

104 posted on 07/18/2002 12:39:37 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: Snuffington; heyheyhey; All
Snuffington's first point in his beautiful refutation:

1. "Under Pope Paul VI, the Vatican released a document saying women could not be priests because they do not look like Jesus."

This is a lie. That was not Paul VI's argument, nor was it the Church's. See ORDINATIO SACERDOTALIS for more background, including Paul VI's statements on the matter.

I add the following for documentation purposes for this thread:

Not neglecting the fact that Garry Wills refuses to document his accusation, one can only guess, reasonably so, that he was referring to Pope Paul's declaration "Inter Insigniores". Following is an excerpt that I "stole" from Gerard Bugge's website Catholic Page for Lovers. Since I had such a hard time finding it on the web, I will paste it in it's entirety with bolding from me. I also performed one correction, the word 'an' in bold was spelled as 'and' in the original from the above website (it is gorgeous - go there sometime and get "lost" in it!) - I chose 'an' over 'any'

Excerpts from "Inter Insigniores"

"Christ is of course the firstborn of all humanity, of women as well as men: the unity which he re-established after sin is such that there are no more distinctions between Jew and Greek, slave and free, male and female, but all are one in Christ Jesus (Gal.3:28).

Nevertheless, the incarnation of the Word took place according to the male sex: this is indeed a question of fact, and this fact, while not implying an alleged natural superiority of man over woman, cannot be disassociated from the economy of salvation: it is indeed in harmony with the entirety of God's plan as God himself has revealed it, and of which the mystery of the Covenant is the nucleus.

For the salvation offered by God to men and women, the union with him to which they are called - in short, the Covenant- took on, from the Old Testament Prophets onwards, the privileged form of a nuptial mystery: for God the Chosen People is seen as his ardently loved spouse. Both Jewish and Christian tradition has discovered the depth of this intimacy of love by reading and rereading the Song of Songs; the divine Bridegroom will remain faithful even when the Bride betrays his love, when Israel is unfaithful to God (Hos.1-3; Jer.2).

When the 'fullness of time' (Gal.4: 4) comes, the Word, the Son of God, takes on flesh in order to establish and seal the new and eternal Covenant in his blood, which will be shed for many so that sins may be forgiven. His death will gather together again the scattered children of God; from his pierced side will be born the Church, as Eve was born from Adam's side.

When the 'fullness of time' (Gal.4: 4) comes, the Word, the Son of God, takes on flesh in order to establish and seal the new and eternal Covenant in his blood, which will be shed for many so that sins may be forgiven. His death will gather together again the scattered children of God; from his pierced side will be born the Church, as Eve was born from Adam's side.

At that time there is fully and eternally accomplished the nuptial mystery proclaimed and hymned in the Old Testament: Christ is the Bridegroom; the Church his Bride, whom he loves because he has gained her by his blood and made her glorious, holy and without blemish, and henceforth he is inseparable from her. This nuptial theme, which is developed from the Letters of St.Paul onwards (2 Cor.11: 2; Eph.5: 22-23) to the writings of St.John (especially in Jn.3: 29; Rev.19: 7, 9), is present also in the Synoptic Gospels: the Bridegroom's friends must not fast as long as he is with them (Mk.2:19); the Kingdom of Heaven is like a king who gave a feast for his son's wedding (Mt.22:1-14).

It is through this Scriptural language, all interwoven with symbols, and which expresses and affects man and woman in their profound identity, that there is revealed to us the mystery of God and Christ, a mystery which of itself is unfathomable."

105 posted on 07/18/2002 2:17:51 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: TotusTuus
Your#104)

Why women will be priests

Answer:

Psst,... [because] the Canon of Holy Scripture contains 73 books!

/sarcasm

106 posted on 07/18/2002 9:20:04 PM PDT by maestro
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To: maestro
Dohhh...! Boy is my face RED!

I'm a little slow...

107 posted on 07/18/2002 10:09:01 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: TotusTuus
It seems to me that the demand for women priests is in part a deduction from the (false) premise that men and women are essentially the same, but even more so a result of a craving of power that is an essential part of modern feminism. What began as a desire for justice has now become a desire for domination.
108 posted on 07/19/2002 9:02:12 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS
...but even more so a result of a craving of power that is an essential part of modern feminism...

See my Post #34 reply to Snuffington. His Post #2 gave us a beaut!

109 posted on 07/19/2002 11:23:28 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
How many of those "Catholics" polled voted for Clinton, twice?

Better yet, how many of those "Catholics" participate in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass more than twice a year?

110 posted on 07/19/2002 11:33:58 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: TotusTuus
Someone provided the following quote from St. Alphonsus De Liguori:

"Bow how, I ask, does it happen that the saints, who live only for God, resist their ordination through s sense of their unworthiness, and that some run blindly to the priesthood, and rest not until they attain it lawfully or unlawfully?" The French Church was full of such types, and thus came the catastrophe of the French Revolution.

111 posted on 07/20/2002 7:42:47 AM PDT by RobbyS
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