Recent Activity Between Rome and Society Saint Pius X (SSPX)

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[Catholicguy]

"In my humble opinion, this should be cause for great joy amongst Catholics, not a cause for calumny and slanders."

LOL Consider that a real rhetorical Baptism and now you are officially adopted into the Free Republic Communion. The SSPX and its supporters are not amused by any that dare call into question either its peculiar understanding of Tradition or its personages.

All the Magisterium and the current Pope are fodder for their incessant, noxious, and sempiternal blathering. But, woe betide that man who seeks to call them to task. Then, you're talking about attacking real authority.

Welcome aboard..keep your head low and spirits high

[narses]

Thanks for your rational, well thought out reply. Would that mine met the same standard. I failed to lay out clearly and in order what I was saying (I knew what I meant, but that doesn't help anyone else). I have friends who are involved in these debates in Europe. They conveyed to me, and I've heard from priests who have friends in the FSSP the stories I tried to relate. First, Fr. Bisig's replacement was seen as a betrayal by many and the FSSP in fact denied rumors of his rplacement prior to the event. Second, there is a dissident group in Europe in the FSSP that fought (successfully) their own internal rules against concelebration, a rule that was seen as integral to the 1988 agreements. The move away from the 1962 Missal is documented in letters between Una Voce and Michael Davies and Rome, that move is happening "piano, piano" (little by little) in the words of a Curial official. (With real effort I am sure I can find that interview documented somewhere.) The Communnion in the hand issue I phrased poorly, it is (as I understand it) a move towards allowing it -- not yet requiring it -- and while it has been allowed under Indult in some countries it is neither supported by tradition nor has the FSSP ever allowed it to my knowledge. There is, in fact, much consternation in the traditional communities as a result of these issues, and that is one of the reasons for the "paranoia" on the part of the SSPX officials I've talked to. Notwithstanding that, the moves from both sides are very, very positive and I believe we will see a resolution in the near future.

[narses]

Regards the Bishop, everyone I know in the traditional community "knows" that the FSSP has expected a Bishop from day one. That they are still "expirimental" in structure has been the rationale offered for waiting for such over the years. Rome moves slowly and that doesn't, by itself mean there is a reason for suspicion, but the idea of moving away from the 1962 Missal, that does create problems as does the concelebration issue.

[narses]

Since sinkspur declined, perhaps you could help me by defining "integrist". I would be much in your debt. The house on Cape Cod would put me even more in your debt and while I am sure the Mrs. would love it, I'm not certain us "integrists" are welcome there. :)

[ThomasMore]

 

 

 

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