[livius]

Wow! It's great. I hadn't seen the whole thing before, either. Thanks for posting.

Unfortunately, I bet the kind of "counseling" popular with bishops has an entirely different objective. And that's the whole problem.

[maryz]

Unfortunately, I bet the kind of "counseling" popular with bishops has an entirely different objective. And that's the whole problem.

Aint' that the truth!

BTW, I didn't post it (I wish I had!) -- narses did, I just pinged those I thought would be interested.