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Navy Officer From Iowa Barred From Entering Mormon Temple
Des Moines Register ^ | 6/19/02 | Vess Mitev

Posted on 06/19/2002 1:06:26 PM PDT by marshmallow

Edited on 05/25/2004 2:46:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A Navy officer from Denmark, Ia., was barred from a Mormon temple in Nauvoo, Ill., on Monday because of his behavior during a previous visit.

Rocky Hulse first toured the new temple of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on May 21. At the end of the tour, he said, he asked a temple official where the cross was located in the church.


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To: Grig; Utah Girl; lady lawyer; Illbay
We must forgive them, for they know not The Code. See you at The Circle of the Blinding Light assembly next week.......
81 posted on 06/19/2002 2:14:40 PM PDT by tracer
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To: kjam22
I don't disagree with your definition, and I doubt many who claim to be Christian would. I guess it is when you get into the definition of what the term "christ" or "messiah" means that dissension arises.

I believe that the terms both essentially mean "savior."

82 posted on 06/19/2002 2:16:50 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: Restorer
I suspect the definition that counts is that of Jesus.

Sensible enough. Of course, Jesus seems to have considered himself a Jew!

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

83 posted on 06/19/2002 2:18:37 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Jeff Head
I hope that those were not family heirloom pearls that you just cast. The level of fantasy here would make for a spectacular yet nauseating movie.

And the "anti-" rhetoric never changes, even though it is spewed by the usual suspects who have been answered and informed otherwise on numerous occasions......

84 posted on 06/19/2002 2:22:34 PM PDT by tracer
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To: Huusker
It's Joseph Smith, not John Smith.
85 posted on 06/19/2002 2:22:37 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: marshmallow
As Buba would play his Jackie Robinson card to prove he wasn't racist.
86 posted on 06/19/2002 2:25:51 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Criminal Number 18F
He was, is and will be their King. Of course He was a Jew, his lineage made Him such, and also gave Him rights to the throne ... but He came to fulfill their law as prophesied and to turn hearts to love, service and commitment to turn them to their God as opposed to a commitment to "the Law" alone (which itself was nothing but a type for His coming).

They killed Him for it ... also as prophesied, so He could purchase them by bearing their sins and so He could be resurrected the third day so all will be resurrected.

He will come to them again and they will see the prints in His hands and feet and then know exactly who He was and is, and what their fathers did ... they will then accept Him for who He is.

FRegards.

87 posted on 06/19/2002 2:25:58 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Grig
With all respect, the LDS Church can't have it both ways: you either consider yourself Christian or you do not.

Can a long-time Catholic enter the inner sanctum of the SLC Temple? Hey, she's a Christian with a long record of church attendance. As an evangelical, I was baptized after accepting Christ as my Savior. Does that mean I wouldn't have to be re-baptized if I converted to Mormonism? Also, why do any Mormons prosyletize Christians? If we're all Christians anyway, why waste so much time on Baptists, Lutherans, etc.?

I don't consider the LDS Church Christian because it holds itself as being unique to all other Christian churches. This goes both ways, so you needn't feel oppressed. I disagree that God changes ("As we are, He was. As He is, we will become") and believe that this human desire to "be like God" is the same temptation the Serpent offered Eve. I don't believe works get you any closer to heaven since Christ did all the work for us on the cross. I don't believe in spirit babies, the spiritual difference between racial groups, a dominant and "civilized" white race in North America in precolumbian times, the need for special garments, that Jesus is Lucifer's brother, or many other very important Mormon doctrines. But even though I strongly disagree with many Mormon doctrines, I respect your right to believe them. And you can respect my religious beliefs as well.

Again, this "persecution" goes both ways. If you viewed traditional Christianity as sufficient, you wouldn't be trying to "convert" us "gentiles" at all.

88 posted on 06/19/2002 2:28:47 PM PDT by inkling
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To: tracer
Not pearls cast before the implicit receiver of your post in the least ... just an honest witness to my brothers and sisters.

I hope it stays on that level and that we will all strive to keep it there. If not, we are free to simply cease and desist which is best in such cricumstances IMHO.

Others are free to take it as they will, as are we all.

FRegards.

89 posted on 06/19/2002 2:30:12 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: marshmallow
This guy probably thinks the Procter and Gamble trademark is satanic.


90 posted on 06/19/2002 2:31:56 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: inkling
One can believe that there is more knowledge regarding our eternal existance, still be a Christian, and want to share it with others our of love and not be viewed the worse for it ... or to feel bad if others are not interested.

That's how I picture it and hope you will do the same.

See my post 80.

Best regards and I have probably said more than enough on this thread at this point.

91 posted on 06/19/2002 2:34:37 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: AnAmericanMother
Thank you for that description of what I consider to be an extremely healthy attitude regarding showing and allowing people respect for their freedom to believe and worship as they will.

God bless.

92 posted on 06/19/2002 2:37:53 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Campion
I don't know about the Temple in SLC, but I toured the visitor's center and there is very definitely a Christ there and a beautiful one at that.

Yes, from what I learned about the Morman church, it is different, but I daresay, they would find the goings on at a rousing holiness church a little strange also. That is not a put-down. I find the goings on at my on Baptist Churches a little strange sometimes also.

To each his own. Christ knows His own and thank goodness, that judgement is in His hands.

Regardless, the man had an axe to grind and he behaved badly. I would say that no matter what religion was involved.

93 posted on 06/19/2002 2:38:47 PM PDT by nanny
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To: Restorer
I was referring to all the Mormon explusions and subsequent "expeditions." From Susquehanna, PA to Utah.Many froze in Nebraska/Iowa and on the route west after being kicked out of Nauvoo. Many were outright killed in Missouri (renegades and militia)and Illinois. Their leaders were murdered-while helpless in jail. I doubt an exact count would be precise. But I'll be back later and see what I can find. I have several old books which doucment much of the Mormon trevails.
94 posted on 06/19/2002 2:40:13 PM PDT by donozark
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To: advocate10
Here are what some denominations have said about Mormons and Christianity. Note that it's pretty much agreed that if you haven't been baptized as a Christian, you're not a Christian.

The Vatican's rather terse commentary on the subject.

An explanation of the above.

The Evangelical Lutheran Church's take on the matter. They're not exactly a conservative group; they're in full communion with the Episcopalians.

The Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod's position.

The United Methodist Church weighs in.

And, finally, the Southern Baptists.

I looked on the Presbyterian site, but all they do is reprint the Vatican's position.

I can't find anything on line on the Episcopalian site, but our church carries a pamphlet about Mormons that basically says, "They're not Christians." I'm afraid I'll have to ask you to take my word on the matter.

If you can find a Christian denomination that accepts Mormons as Christians, I'd like to know.

95 posted on 06/19/2002 2:41:29 PM PDT by RonF
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To: advocate10
I can assure you that members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are most assuredly Christian!

Not.

96 posted on 06/19/2002 2:47:31 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: donozark
Thanks.

I suspect that the Mormon Church has reasonably exact figures. However, I also suspect that these figures have not bee widely publicized because they do not do a great job of supporting their portrayal of themselves as the completely innocent victims of persecution.

The early Mormons were very different from those of today, just as some of the Anabaptists of the Reformation were pretty radical when compared to today's Southern Baptists. Early Quakers were pretty wild. And, of course, few Catholics of today will seriously defend the actions of some of their co-religionists of the past.

Few professed Christian groups have a complete absence of skeletons in their demnomational closets.

97 posted on 06/19/2002 2:48:51 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: advocate10
Understand that I don't support the actions of this person. He obviously has an axe to grind, and I don't consider his actions Christian. He should be prosecuted within the limits of the law, and the UMC, if he pulls a stunt like this again.

But when it comes to theology, I find the rather unanimous, and well explained, opinions that I've posted persuasive.

98 posted on 06/19/2002 2:50:46 PM PDT by RonF
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To: marshmallow
Can you imagine if Christ had been HANGED? The guy'd be asking "hey, where's the noose on the temple"?
99 posted on 06/19/2002 2:59:12 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Elsie
A temple is not a church. I know that's difficult to grasp for those who are not members of our faith, but suffice it to say they're used for vastly different purposes.

In fact, you may find this odd, but temples are CLOSED on Sunday, so that we "sinners" can go to church.

100 posted on 06/19/2002 3:00:49 PM PDT by Illbay
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