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Navy Officer From Iowa Barred From Entering Mormon Temple
Des Moines Register ^ | 6/19/02 | Vess Mitev

Posted on 06/19/2002 1:06:26 PM PDT by marshmallow

Edited on 05/25/2004 2:46:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A Navy officer from Denmark, Ia., was barred from a Mormon temple in Nauvoo, Ill., on Monday because of his behavior during a previous visit.

Rocky Hulse first toured the new temple of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on May 21. At the end of the tour, he said, he asked a temple official where the cross was located in the church.


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To: advocate10
Don't worry about it. These people who try to draw such distinctions are so insecure, they can only "protect" themselves by holding up their ignorance as a shield.

Don't bother trying to explain it to them, you're wasting your time. Just follow the Savior's example and show your real faith through your good works.

101 posted on 06/19/2002 3:02:27 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: AppyPappy
No, AP, a temple isn't a country club. Think of it, rather, as a place where very serious and very sacred business goes one. It is part of our worship, yes, but a very special, and very specialized, part.
102 posted on 06/19/2002 3:03:44 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: txzman; Utah Girl
AND receive your fleem-jacket!
103 posted on 06/19/2002 3:05:43 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Mr. Bird
Somebody needs to inform him that while his service is appreciated, it does not entitle him to flout the behaviors of a civil society.

I do think it funny that some people think there's some sort of appropriate trade-off involved here.

It's like the Frank and Ernest cartoon I saw years ago. "Frank" and "Ernest" are in heaven as angels, standing on a cloud. "Frank" is looking over the edge of the cloud, grinning like a coot. "Ernest" says "Do you mean you lived a live of exemplary behavior, fraught with deeds of kindness and compassion toward your fellow man, just so you could eventually come up here and DROP THINGS ON PEOPLE?!?!"

104 posted on 06/19/2002 3:08:56 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Huusker
So, you don't believe in angels, or what?

And didn't the Savior say "by their fruits ye shall know them"? Are you completely oblivious to the marvelous "fruits" borne by the tree that the Prophet Joseph Smith planted? Or are you one of these that Isaiah foresaw, who invariably see evil for good, and good for evil?

You might want to adjust your preconceptions. They're extremely inaccurate.

105 posted on 06/19/2002 3:11:22 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Ann Archy
Do Mormons believe that Jesus is their Saviour?

Yes.

... and HE is one part of the TRINITY?

No, because we believe the "Trinity" is an erroneous construct from the Middle Ages. However, we believe that Jesus Christ is Jehovah of the Old Testament, and that He is one member of the GODHEAD, which includes God the Father, Christ Himself and the Holy Spirit.

If so, that would make them Christian.

In the end, labels mean nothing except as they inform us, or pander to our ignorance. In the end God Himself judges, and the judgements of man are irrelevant.

106 posted on 06/19/2002 3:14:22 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: ArrogantBustard
FWIW, I can assure you having been through the Washington D.C., Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Oakland and St. Louis temples, that there are depictions of Christ all throughout, in the form of artwork.

But in the end, people will believe what they wish. My only advice is to stick to building up your own faith, but that doesn't happen through tearing down the faith of others.

107 posted on 06/19/2002 3:16:47 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: inkling
The LDS faith is wildly different from conventional Christianity.

And given all that is going on with conventional Christianity lately, I say "thank God for that."

108 posted on 06/19/2002 3:18:05 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
This story kind of made me laugh, just a little. The guy must have raised quite a ruckus to get the people who were ushering in the temple to get him to leave. They're so mild mannered usually.
109 posted on 06/19/2002 3:25:25 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Illbay
And given all that is going on with conventional Christianity lately, I say "thank God for that."

And we "gentiles" are the ones under attack for perceived intolerance. Since you brought it up, please let me know what your problems are with conventional Christianity.

If your problems lie with certain Catholic bishops currently destroying their church to save their hides, I couldn't agree more with you. Then again, I'm neither Catholic or Protestant, just Christian.

110 posted on 06/19/2002 3:27:22 PM PDT by inkling
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To: fogarty
Every mormon I've spoken with rejects the belief that salvation is received ONLY by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

Sorry, but that's poppycock. Of course we believe that the Grace of Jesus Christ is necessary for salvation.

But we don't pick and choose which scriptures we follow, as many sects of Christianity seem to do. We don't ignore the admonition of Christ, to keep His commandments.

We realize, though, that no matter how hard we try to do this, we're going to come up short, every time. And it is the grace of our Saviour Jesus Christ that makes up the deficit.

My own analogy is that of "tithing," which we Saints also observe to pay. Everything we have is the Lord's but He asks only that we pay 10% of our "increase" as tithing. We are NOT expected to give all we have, but He knows we can give SOMETHING, and thus His commandment that we pay 10%.

FWIW, the analogy is imperfect; I doubt that we can even keep 10% of the commandments, but the point is that we show a "good faith effort," trusting in the end that, after all we can do--which is the purpose of the Judgement, in fact--we are saved by the grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

"And moreover, I say unto you, that there shall be no other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come unto the children of men, only in and through the name of Christ, the Lord Omnipotent." -- (Book of Mormon) Mosiah 3:17.

111 posted on 06/19/2002 3:28:07 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: HeadOn
According to the material I've seen, the Mormons don't even realize the positions of their church fathers.

Funny. That's exactly how I view most of the Christian sects of the world. Most Baptists, for example, know next to nothing about the doctrines of their own church.

A friend of mine, a Latter-Day Saint who used to be Baptist, became disenchanted with the Baptists faith when his studies revealed how much their "faith and message" had changed over the past 150 years. He left off studying for the ministry shortly after that, and some time later converted to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

112 posted on 06/19/2002 3:30:29 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: inkling
He once told me our religion was pablum.

Mormons have an "endowment" ceremony where Protestant ministers are mocked..naw they do not like us much:>)

113 posted on 06/19/2002 3:32:15 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Utah Girl
I don't see Mormons bumrushing the pulpit of my church demanding we remove our cross. It's too bad that this guy saw fit to tour the Nauvoo temple and heckle the interior designer. If he was a member of my church, he'd probably get a good talking to! :-)
114 posted on 06/19/2002 3:35:59 PM PDT by inkling
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To: inkling
I find it appropriate to quote Martin Luther on the matter of "faith vs. works":
"Man is saved by faith alone, but not by a faith that is alone."

In other words, only faith saves, but a true faith will naturally be shown by works. The more I ruminated upon this saying, the more I liked it.

115 posted on 06/19/2002 3:37:32 PM PDT by inkling
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To: RonF
Actually, we don't call ourselves "Christian." We are "Saints".

The word "Christian" is found only three times in the Bible, twice in derogatory usage and once neutral (Felix's statement to Paul "Almost thou persuadest me to become a Christian.")

"Christian" was a term given to the "cult" that followed Jesus Christ by enemies of the faith.

However, scores of times the disciples of Christ are called "Saints" among themselves. It is the name they had for themselves.

So in a narrow sense, you're right. We're not "Christians," we're Saints, which is the correct term for those who believe in the true Christ.

Further, although we have deep respect for all religious faiths, we firmly believe that all other sects purporting to be Christian have only a portion of the truth, and are the result of apostasy over a millenium and a half ago.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is a restoration of the ORIGINAL gospel, to correct the grievous errors that crept in over the centuries, and which resulted in the great variety of beliefs among the so-called "Christian" sects.

And you might want to dismiss that as irrelevant. Upon which I recommend you go to the RELIGION forum on FR, and take note of the HUGE number of threads arguing doctrine among the various sects: Protestant against RC and RC against Eastern Orthodox, etc., ad nauseum.

There are over 700 different Christian sects on earth. Not all can be correct.

But one Church is the true and living Church of Jesus Christ. It is the one that bears His name, with the further distinction that it is the Church established in the LATTER days (as opposed to ancient times where it also existed).

116 posted on 06/19/2002 3:39:13 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Dead Dog
Funny, that's just what the Romans said about that peculiar sect they called "Christians" back about 2,000 years ago.

Oh, and in the Middle Ages, Jews killed Christian babies and used their blood for their matzoh, didn't you know?

117 posted on 06/19/2002 3:42:06 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: GuillermoX
I was surprised to read that the Nauvoo temple was open to the general public, as other temples are not.

Actually, that's not quite correct. All our temples are typically open to the public for a period just after their construction, a so-called "Open House."

Afterward, they are dedicated and then are open only to members of the Church in good standing. This is true for Nauvoo as well as all the others that have been constructed.

118 posted on 06/19/2002 3:44:46 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: tracer
Be sure to bring the over-ripe figs this time. Last time, I forgot and my wife had to go all the way back home for them.

She didn't speak to me for about three weeks.

119 posted on 06/19/2002 3:47:42 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
This thread began with several Mormons politely asking that they be called "Christians" and be afforded respect equal to that of Christian denominations.

You singlehandedly destroyed all their efforts, demanding that the LDS church is not Christian while impugning every Christian denomination. The leaders of your faith are probably quite unhappy with your efforts.

120 posted on 06/19/2002 3:50:58 PM PDT by inkling
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