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To: ShadowAce
You're the one damning yourself to hell--He's giving you the opportunity to escape.

By rejecting reason? Morally impossible.

A more likely scenario is that, if I reject science for faith, and the two of us stand together in judgment before God, you may (although I can't promise it) be admitted to heaven for having stuck to your principles, but I will certainly be cast into hell for having violated mine.

58 posted on 06/17/2002 6:03:39 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
... if I reject science for faith,...

Why would you do that?

62 posted on 06/17/2002 6:08:22 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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, but I will certainly be cast into hell for having violated mine

Doubt that since God could care less what YOUR principles are if they are not shared by Him. God would grant access to such as you that would humble yourself like a child before Him. He would certainly not grant access to the arrogant in reason types if they remained unrepentant. So, you go ahead and stick by your principles and see where they get you. It's a trite saying, but as has been said before, you are the one with everything to loose, not those of faith. We will just rot in the ground with no comprehension if we are wrong. There will be no consequences to our lives except the good people we will no doubt leave behind. I wonder if the same can be said if Mr. Physicist is wrong?(no, this isn't to scare you, but it is the reality of what's to come)

I actually believe hope is what drives faith. Faith driven by fear is objectionable to God anyway. He doesn't want you to love Him to hedge your bets so in that regard you probably are right, but I don't think you are right that your lack of faith will get you anywhere. I'm not surprised many scientists can't humble themselves before Christ, they are generally some of the most arrogant human beings on the face of the earth, full of thier own sense of importance and understanding. I don't pretend to know all the answers, but I know that something has moved me all my life towards a Creator. It's a force so strong that no amount of "rational" explanation can overpower it. I will pray though this force will someday come into your life and others who doubt. There is nothing more glorious than LIFE, true LIFE!

218 posted on 06/17/2002 8:36:19 AM PDT by glory
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To: Physicist
By rejecting reason? Morally impossible.

A more likely scenario is that, if I reject science for faith, and the two of us stand together in judgment before God, you may (although I can't promise it) be admitted to heaven for having stuck to your principles, but I will certainly be cast into hell for having violated mine.

There's only one reason anyone in this age will go to hell -- refusing to invite Jesus Christ into their heart to save them.

Joh 3: 16-18 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The issue is extremely simple -- whether or not you will choose to release yourself from the debt and guilt of SIN, or, whether you, like an accessory to a cruel tyrant, like an unrepentant supporter of Pharaoh, will hold yourself in bondage, slain by sin and indebted and afflicted (doing works, even "good" works) under it.

You have an opportunity through Jesus Christ to overthrow "original sin" simply by receiving Him as Saviour. Refuse, and you remain loyal to a tyrant -- the tyrant of sin.

ALL OTHER ARGUMENT is simply smokescreen and rhetoric designed to do but one thing -- resist Jesus Christ, avoid accepting Him and setting yourself free from sin's guilt, debt and bondage, and avoid restoring spiritual LIFE to yourself through Him and by Him.

No amount of mental gymnastics and rationalizing and intellectualizing will deliver you from this one overarching moral duty and challenge set before you, one which will determine your eternal destiny: Will you receive Jesus Christ as your Saviour?

Time is short here. Delay is not prudent.

312 posted on 06/17/2002 9:57:14 AM PDT by Risky Schemer
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To: Physicist
A more likely scenario is that, if I reject science for faith, and the two of us stand together in judgment before God, you may (although I can't promise it) be admitted to heaven for having stuck to your principles, but I will certainly be cast into hell for having violated mine.

But what if there is a God who has principles that He wants you to live by? In other words, what if your principles are irrelevant to Him?

558 posted on 06/17/2002 1:45:23 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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