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15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense [THE FINAL DEBUNKING]
Scientific American ^ | 17 June 2002 | John Rennie

Posted on 06/17/2002 3:10:50 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

Opponents of evolution want to make a place for creationism by tearing down real science, but their arguments don't hold up

When Charles Darwin introduced the theory of evolution through natural selection 143 years ago, the scientists of the day argued over it fiercely, but the massing evidence from paleontology, genetics, zoology, molecular biology and other fields gradually established evolution's truth beyond reasonable doubt. Today that battle has been won everywhere--except in the public imagination.

Embarrassingly, in the 21st century, in the most scientifically advanced nation the world has ever known, creationists can still persuade politicians, judges and ordinary citizens that evolution is a flawed, poorly supported fantasy. They lobby for creationist ideas such as "intelligent design" to be taught as alternatives to evolution in science classrooms. As this article goes to press, the Ohio Board of Education is debating whether to mandate such a change. Some antievolutionists, such as Philip E. Johnson, a law professor at the University of California at Berkeley and author of Darwin on Trial, admit that they intend for intelligent-design theory to serve as a "wedge" for reopening science classrooms to discussions of God.

Besieged teachers and others may increasingly find themselves on the spot to defend evolution and refute creationism. The arguments that creationists use are typically specious and based on misunderstandings of (or outright lies about) evolution, but the number and diversity of the objections can put even well-informed people at a disadvantage.

To help with answering them, the following list rebuts some of the most common "scientific" arguments raised against evolution. It also directs readers to further sources for information and explains why creation science has no place in the classroom.

1. Evolution is only a theory. It is not a fact or a scientific law. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

2. Natural selection is based on circular reasoning: the fittest are those who survive, and those who survive are deemed fittest. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

3. Evolution is unscientific, because it is not testable or falsifiable. It makes claims about events that were not observed and can never be re-created. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

4. Increasingly, scientists doubt the truth of evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

5. The disagreements among even evolutionary biologists show how little solid science supports evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

6. If humans descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

7. Evolution cannot explain how life first appeared on earth. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

8. Mathematically, it is inconceivable that anything as complex as a protein, let alone a living cell or a human, could spring up by chance. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

9. The Second Law of Thermodynamics says that systems must become more disordered over time. Living cells therefore could not have evolved from inanimate chemicals, and multicellular life could not have evolved from protozoa. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

10. Mutations are essential to evolution theory, but mutations can only eliminate traits. They cannot produce new features. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

11. Natural selection might explain microevolution, but it cannot explain the origin of new species and higher orders of life. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

12. Nobody has ever seen a new species evolve. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

13. Evolutionists cannot point to any transitional fossils--creatures that are half reptile and half bird, for instance. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

14. Living things have fantastically intricate features--at the anatomical, cellular and molecular levels--that could not function if they were any less complex or sophisticated. The only prudent conclusion is that they are the products of intelligent design, not evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

15. Recent discoveries prove that even at the microscopic level, life has a quality of complexity that could not have come about through evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

CONCLUSION
"Creation science" is a contradiction in terms. A central tenet of modern science is methodological naturalism--it seeks to explain the universe purely in terms of observed or testable natural mechanisms. Thus, physics describes the atomic nucleus with specific concepts governing matter and energy, and it tests those descriptions experimentally. Physicists introduce new particles, such as quarks, to flesh out their theories only when data show that the previous descriptions cannot adequately explain observed phenomena. The new particles do not have arbitrary properties, moreover--their definitions are tightly constrained, because the new particles must fit within the existing framework of physics.

In contrast, intelligent-design theorists invoke shadowy entities that conveniently have whatever unconstrained abilities are needed to solve the mystery at hand. Rather than expanding scientific inquiry, such answers shut it down. (How does one disprove the existence of omnipotent intelligences?)

Intelligent design offers few answers. For instance, when and how did a designing intelligence intervene in life's history? By creating the first DNA? The first cell? The first human? Was every species designed, or just a few early ones? Proponents of intelligent-design theory frequently decline to be pinned down on these points. They do not even make real attempts to reconcile their disparate ideas about intelligent design. Instead they pursue argument by exclusion--that is, they belittle evolutionary explanations as far-fetched or incomplete and then imply that only design-based alternatives remain.

Logically, this is misleading: even if one naturalistic explanation is flawed, it does not mean that all are. Moreover, it does not make one intelligent-design theory more reasonable than another. Listeners are essentially left to fill in the blanks for themselves, and some will undoubtedly do so by substituting their religious beliefs for scientific ideas.

Time and again, science has shown that methodological naturalism can push back ignorance, finding increasingly detailed and informative answers to mysteries that once seemed impenetrable: the nature of light, the causes of disease, how the brain works. Evolution is doing the same with the riddle of how the living world took shape. Creationism, by any name, adds nothing of intellectual value to the effort.

The Author(s):

John Rennie is editor in chief of Scientific American.


TOPICS: General Discusssion
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To: Dementon
Thank you. I'll take all the appreciation I can get.
1,941 posted on 06/27/2002 12:19:33 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Gumlegs
The 3rd way(evolution)...crony science/stealth satanism---collapse!

1,942 posted on 06/27/2002 12:22:03 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: All
Another 10 posts logged in. The march toward #2,000 continues! And to keep this thread on track: Creation "Science" is bunk!
1,943 posted on 06/27/2002 12:25:03 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
AMEN! PastorHenry
1,944 posted on 06/27/2002 12:26:39 PM PDT by Dementon
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To: PatrickHenry
Accident science---evolution is junk!
1,945 posted on 06/27/2002 12:33:09 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: PatrickHenry
That's what I was getting at; I just couldn't find the right words for it.
1,946 posted on 06/27/2002 12:41:20 PM PDT by inquest
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To: All
All right now, the post numbers are getting interesting. Each of you can claim the post number corresponding to year of your birth. (Unless, of course, the thread has already passed you by.)
1,947 posted on 06/27/2002 1:53:12 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Passed my by a while ago. I'll worry when the thread finally reaches my IQ. Of course, the thread will never reach my golf handicap.
1,948 posted on 06/27/2002 1:58:27 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Passed my by a while ago.

All right then, try for your bank balance.

1,949 posted on 06/27/2002 2:05:36 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: balrog666
from time to time, call them on it.

What have you been smoking?

1,950 posted on 06/27/2002 2:10:18 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: PatrickHenry
Your birthdate would have to be sometime in the future...

The big lie...fraud-hoax---

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality--UNDER GOD...the nature of man/govt. does not change. These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values GROWTH!

Then came the post-modern age of switch-flip-spin-DEFORMITY-cancer---UNDER STATE/SATAN...Atheist secular materialists through evolution CHANGED-REMOVED the foundations(separation of state/religion)--TRUTH-GOD...made these absolutes relative and calling all the residuals---technology/science === evolution to substantiate/justify their efforts--claims...social engineering--PC--atheism...anti-God/Truth RELIGION--crusade!

Liberals/Evolution BELIEVE they are the conservatives--guardians too...

Pro--Atheism...

the shield between state and religion(evolution/atheism) is gone---

this is chernobyl---radiation poisoning---spiritual/cultual---constitutional DEATH-MURDER!!

Hypnotism--witchcraft ideology--politics--religion--BRAINWASHING--superstition--BIAS---EVOLUTION

ps...evolutionism is the essence of liberalism/socialism!

Basically...

to summarize---

we have an established religion---ATHEISM/EVOLUTION 'science'...

a monopoly forbidding the freedom of speech-thought(pc brainwashing)-religion/Truth!

1,951 posted on 06/27/2002 2:13:09 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: All
The long march continues. Now we're in the 1950s. We're closing in on the goal.
1,952 posted on 06/27/2002 2:15:17 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: All
Just to keep things stirred up, see of you guys can come up with some suggestions for filling in the blanks:
Creation science is to science as _______________ is to _______________.
1,953 posted on 06/27/2002 2:23:44 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Creation science is to science as...cause/creator is to---effect/creation.

1,954 posted on 06/27/2002 2:33:49 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: PatrickHenry
I pledge allegiance...

to the flag---of the Soviet American Union...

one educational gulag---evolutionary...

under state--stalin--satan...

with tyranny and evolution think--speak--jobs/work for all and only!

freethink and competition is for losers...

just like cuba/castro---irrevocable/permanente!

1,955 posted on 06/27/2002 3:29:52 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: All
Creation science is to science as _______________ is to _______________.

Okay, I'll just have to play alone. Here's a couple:

Creation science is to science as Barney Frank is to manhood.
Creation science is to science as Clinton is to integrity.
Creation science is to science as astrology is to astronomy.

1,956 posted on 06/27/2002 4:46:27 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
death(delete)wish??
1,957 posted on 06/27/2002 4:48:13 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: PatrickHenry
A true scientist would at least be neutral when it came to God--creation...

not so blatantly negative--hostile--biased.

1,958 posted on 06/27/2002 4:51:52 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: PatrickHenry
1959?
1,959 posted on 06/27/2002 5:10:56 PM PDT by scripter
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To: scripter
Imagine that. I take a break, read your post and the next available post is, um, of significance. Well, at least to me.
1,960 posted on 06/27/2002 5:12:44 PM PDT by scripter
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