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15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense [THE FINAL DEBUNKING]
Scientific American ^ | 17 June 2002 | John Rennie

Posted on 06/17/2002 3:10:50 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

Opponents of evolution want to make a place for creationism by tearing down real science, but their arguments don't hold up

When Charles Darwin introduced the theory of evolution through natural selection 143 years ago, the scientists of the day argued over it fiercely, but the massing evidence from paleontology, genetics, zoology, molecular biology and other fields gradually established evolution's truth beyond reasonable doubt. Today that battle has been won everywhere--except in the public imagination.

Embarrassingly, in the 21st century, in the most scientifically advanced nation the world has ever known, creationists can still persuade politicians, judges and ordinary citizens that evolution is a flawed, poorly supported fantasy. They lobby for creationist ideas such as "intelligent design" to be taught as alternatives to evolution in science classrooms. As this article goes to press, the Ohio Board of Education is debating whether to mandate such a change. Some antievolutionists, such as Philip E. Johnson, a law professor at the University of California at Berkeley and author of Darwin on Trial, admit that they intend for intelligent-design theory to serve as a "wedge" for reopening science classrooms to discussions of God.

Besieged teachers and others may increasingly find themselves on the spot to defend evolution and refute creationism. The arguments that creationists use are typically specious and based on misunderstandings of (or outright lies about) evolution, but the number and diversity of the objections can put even well-informed people at a disadvantage.

To help with answering them, the following list rebuts some of the most common "scientific" arguments raised against evolution. It also directs readers to further sources for information and explains why creation science has no place in the classroom.

1. Evolution is only a theory. It is not a fact or a scientific law. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

2. Natural selection is based on circular reasoning: the fittest are those who survive, and those who survive are deemed fittest. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

3. Evolution is unscientific, because it is not testable or falsifiable. It makes claims about events that were not observed and can never be re-created. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

4. Increasingly, scientists doubt the truth of evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

5. The disagreements among even evolutionary biologists show how little solid science supports evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

6. If humans descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

7. Evolution cannot explain how life first appeared on earth. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

8. Mathematically, it is inconceivable that anything as complex as a protein, let alone a living cell or a human, could spring up by chance. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

9. The Second Law of Thermodynamics says that systems must become more disordered over time. Living cells therefore could not have evolved from inanimate chemicals, and multicellular life could not have evolved from protozoa. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

10. Mutations are essential to evolution theory, but mutations can only eliminate traits. They cannot produce new features. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

11. Natural selection might explain microevolution, but it cannot explain the origin of new species and higher orders of life. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

12. Nobody has ever seen a new species evolve. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

13. Evolutionists cannot point to any transitional fossils--creatures that are half reptile and half bird, for instance. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

14. Living things have fantastically intricate features--at the anatomical, cellular and molecular levels--that could not function if they were any less complex or sophisticated. The only prudent conclusion is that they are the products of intelligent design, not evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

15. Recent discoveries prove that even at the microscopic level, life has a quality of complexity that could not have come about through evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

CONCLUSION
"Creation science" is a contradiction in terms. A central tenet of modern science is methodological naturalism--it seeks to explain the universe purely in terms of observed or testable natural mechanisms. Thus, physics describes the atomic nucleus with specific concepts governing matter and energy, and it tests those descriptions experimentally. Physicists introduce new particles, such as quarks, to flesh out their theories only when data show that the previous descriptions cannot adequately explain observed phenomena. The new particles do not have arbitrary properties, moreover--their definitions are tightly constrained, because the new particles must fit within the existing framework of physics.

In contrast, intelligent-design theorists invoke shadowy entities that conveniently have whatever unconstrained abilities are needed to solve the mystery at hand. Rather than expanding scientific inquiry, such answers shut it down. (How does one disprove the existence of omnipotent intelligences?)

Intelligent design offers few answers. For instance, when and how did a designing intelligence intervene in life's history? By creating the first DNA? The first cell? The first human? Was every species designed, or just a few early ones? Proponents of intelligent-design theory frequently decline to be pinned down on these points. They do not even make real attempts to reconcile their disparate ideas about intelligent design. Instead they pursue argument by exclusion--that is, they belittle evolutionary explanations as far-fetched or incomplete and then imply that only design-based alternatives remain.

Logically, this is misleading: even if one naturalistic explanation is flawed, it does not mean that all are. Moreover, it does not make one intelligent-design theory more reasonable than another. Listeners are essentially left to fill in the blanks for themselves, and some will undoubtedly do so by substituting their religious beliefs for scientific ideas.

Time and again, science has shown that methodological naturalism can push back ignorance, finding increasingly detailed and informative answers to mysteries that once seemed impenetrable: the nature of light, the causes of disease, how the brain works. Evolution is doing the same with the riddle of how the living world took shape. Creationism, by any name, adds nothing of intellectual value to the effort.

The Author(s):

John Rennie is editor in chief of Scientific American.


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To: Dimensio
Alterations in an environment can make traits that previously inhibited survival into essential functions of the organism.

Those same alterations would kill any who did not evolve, then. But we still have fish, and monkeys still live in trees.

121 posted on 06/17/2002 7:10:40 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: jlogajan
"You say they're wrong, they say you're wrong. I'll let you duke it out. But to say you have a lock on the one true literal interpretation -- that's laughable."

Pot, meet the kettle.

122 posted on 06/17/2002 7:11:30 AM PDT by smith288
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To: jlogajan
What about not wearing mixed threads -- is that allegorical or literal?


123 posted on 06/17/2002 7:11:42 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
And your "better" cousin [amoeba], with ~200 times more genes than you!

Surely you mean 200 times larger genome. (I wasn't aware they had sequenced the amoeba genome and identified ORFs!)

124 posted on 06/17/2002 7:12:24 AM PDT by Nebullis
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To: Physicist
"Before the Big Bang": geometrically, there is no "before the Big Bang", for the same reason there is no "south of the South Pole".

No, that is just one (entirely unproved) theory (a la Hawking). We don't know if time started with the big bang or it didn't.

125 posted on 06/17/2002 7:14:45 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: ShadowAce
Those same alterations would kill any who did not evolve, then. But we still have fish, and monkeys still live in trees.

The entire planet is not a single "environment". A change in the environment in one location does not translate to a change in every similar environment on the planet. Those populations in the unchanged environment would continue on as they had done before while populations in the changed environment may shift as the organisms better suited for the new environment continue on their genetic line.
126 posted on 06/17/2002 7:15:01 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Phaedrus
The argument here is firmly based upon authority, the "authority" of Scientific American. But if the argument itself is built upon lies, then the article becomes a testament to the emptiness of that authority and only fools will listen.
127 posted on 06/17/2002 7:17:26 AM PDT by Phaedrus
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To: newcats
Are you telling me that to be a conservative, one MUST believe in G_d?

To be a consistent conservative you most likely do. Somebody who believes that "survival of the fittest' is the only moral law in nature might call himself a conservative and behave in a manner consistent with his belief by being a robber baron like Andrew Carnegie, a criminal of some sort or a nazi (or a cannibal like Jeffrey Dahmer), but the word "conservative" igtself connotes some sort of an effort to preserve the values which have guided human society over the last couple of thousand years, and it's hard to picture an atheist making any sort of a serious effort to do that, as opposed to merely looking out for number one.

Newt Gingrich put it rather succinctly in noting that the question of whether a man views his fellow man as a fellow child of God or as a meat byproduct of stochastic events and processes simply has to effect human relations.

129 posted on 06/17/2002 7:19:36 AM PDT by medved
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To: Dimensio
A change in the environment in one location does not translate to a change in every similar environment on the planet.

So it would be easier for a fish to walk on land than swim to a different locale?

130 posted on 06/17/2002 7:20:47 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: Physicist
Quantum Mechanics: it is logically impossible to describe QM in terms of quotidian phenomena like particles and waves, because quantum objects are more fundamental than the quotidian phenomena. Those phenomena are made up of quantum objects. You cannot describe the more fundamental in terms of the less fundamental; this is basic philosophy.

THe point is, wave functions exist in a realm of reality that we cannot touch or directly prove exists. We can only infer that they exist.

131 posted on 06/17/2002 7:21:44 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Deutsch
There is lots of interesting suff there and it's all true! I especially like the part about the FLOOD. If your interested, that is where all of those fossils, evolutionist keep finding came from.

So why aren't all the fossils jumbled together but are lying in distinct layers instead?

132 posted on 06/17/2002 7:23:01 AM PDT by Junior
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To: ShadowAce
So it would be easier for a fish to walk on land than swim to a different locale?

If it could swin to a different locale, it would be easier to swim there. Of course, perhaps those better adapted for movement on the surface later migrated to environments different than those of their ancestors, thus further enhancing the desirability of that particular trait.
133 posted on 06/17/2002 7:24:32 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Ferndina
If you'd read the article, you would have noticed this:

6. If humans descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?

This surprisingly common argument reflects several levels of ignorance about evolution. The first mistake is that evolution does not teach that humans descended from monkeys; it states that both have a common ancestor.

The deeper error is that this objection is tantamount to asking, "If children descended from adults, why are there still adults?" New species evolve by splintering off from established ones, when populations of organisms become isolated from the main branch of their family and acquire sufficient differences to remain forever distinct. The parent species may survive indefinitely thereafter, or it may become extinct.

134 posted on 06/17/2002 7:25:43 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Dimensio
Of course, perhaps those better adapted for movement on the surface later ...

Why would a fish be adapted for movement on the surface?

136 posted on 06/17/2002 7:30:00 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: Deutsch
My question, to which you answered with a complete non-sequiter, was "why should I believe that Revelation 20:12 is an accurate source of information"?
137 posted on 06/17/2002 7:30:19 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: ShadowAce
Why would a fish be adapted for movement on the surface?

Mutation.
138 posted on 06/17/2002 7:30:57 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
OK. Point out to me a modern, beneficial mutation that is not a normal part of the original. It should probably be a fairly common one as a single individual would not change the direction of its entire species.

Since we are talking about something as major as a fish walking on land, please don't point to feather color.

139 posted on 06/17/2002 7:34:27 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: All
Amazing. I start this thread early in the morning, then I come back 4 hours later and the thing has virtually exploded! It's gratifying to see so many folks who are interested in science.
140 posted on 06/17/2002 7:39:16 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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