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15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense [THE FINAL DEBUNKING]
Scientific American ^ | 17 June 2002 | John Rennie

Posted on 06/17/2002 3:10:50 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

Opponents of evolution want to make a place for creationism by tearing down real science, but their arguments don't hold up

When Charles Darwin introduced the theory of evolution through natural selection 143 years ago, the scientists of the day argued over it fiercely, but the massing evidence from paleontology, genetics, zoology, molecular biology and other fields gradually established evolution's truth beyond reasonable doubt. Today that battle has been won everywhere--except in the public imagination.

Embarrassingly, in the 21st century, in the most scientifically advanced nation the world has ever known, creationists can still persuade politicians, judges and ordinary citizens that evolution is a flawed, poorly supported fantasy. They lobby for creationist ideas such as "intelligent design" to be taught as alternatives to evolution in science classrooms. As this article goes to press, the Ohio Board of Education is debating whether to mandate such a change. Some antievolutionists, such as Philip E. Johnson, a law professor at the University of California at Berkeley and author of Darwin on Trial, admit that they intend for intelligent-design theory to serve as a "wedge" for reopening science classrooms to discussions of God.

Besieged teachers and others may increasingly find themselves on the spot to defend evolution and refute creationism. The arguments that creationists use are typically specious and based on misunderstandings of (or outright lies about) evolution, but the number and diversity of the objections can put even well-informed people at a disadvantage.

To help with answering them, the following list rebuts some of the most common "scientific" arguments raised against evolution. It also directs readers to further sources for information and explains why creation science has no place in the classroom.

1. Evolution is only a theory. It is not a fact or a scientific law. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

2. Natural selection is based on circular reasoning: the fittest are those who survive, and those who survive are deemed fittest. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

3. Evolution is unscientific, because it is not testable or falsifiable. It makes claims about events that were not observed and can never be re-created. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

4. Increasingly, scientists doubt the truth of evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

5. The disagreements among even evolutionary biologists show how little solid science supports evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

6. If humans descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

7. Evolution cannot explain how life first appeared on earth. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

8. Mathematically, it is inconceivable that anything as complex as a protein, let alone a living cell or a human, could spring up by chance. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

9. The Second Law of Thermodynamics says that systems must become more disordered over time. Living cells therefore could not have evolved from inanimate chemicals, and multicellular life could not have evolved from protozoa. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

10. Mutations are essential to evolution theory, but mutations can only eliminate traits. They cannot produce new features. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

11. Natural selection might explain microevolution, but it cannot explain the origin of new species and higher orders of life. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

12. Nobody has ever seen a new species evolve. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

13. Evolutionists cannot point to any transitional fossils--creatures that are half reptile and half bird, for instance. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

14. Living things have fantastically intricate features--at the anatomical, cellular and molecular levels--that could not function if they were any less complex or sophisticated. The only prudent conclusion is that they are the products of intelligent design, not evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

15. Recent discoveries prove that even at the microscopic level, life has a quality of complexity that could not have come about through evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

CONCLUSION
"Creation science" is a contradiction in terms. A central tenet of modern science is methodological naturalism--it seeks to explain the universe purely in terms of observed or testable natural mechanisms. Thus, physics describes the atomic nucleus with specific concepts governing matter and energy, and it tests those descriptions experimentally. Physicists introduce new particles, such as quarks, to flesh out their theories only when data show that the previous descriptions cannot adequately explain observed phenomena. The new particles do not have arbitrary properties, moreover--their definitions are tightly constrained, because the new particles must fit within the existing framework of physics.

In contrast, intelligent-design theorists invoke shadowy entities that conveniently have whatever unconstrained abilities are needed to solve the mystery at hand. Rather than expanding scientific inquiry, such answers shut it down. (How does one disprove the existence of omnipotent intelligences?)

Intelligent design offers few answers. For instance, when and how did a designing intelligence intervene in life's history? By creating the first DNA? The first cell? The first human? Was every species designed, or just a few early ones? Proponents of intelligent-design theory frequently decline to be pinned down on these points. They do not even make real attempts to reconcile their disparate ideas about intelligent design. Instead they pursue argument by exclusion--that is, they belittle evolutionary explanations as far-fetched or incomplete and then imply that only design-based alternatives remain.

Logically, this is misleading: even if one naturalistic explanation is flawed, it does not mean that all are. Moreover, it does not make one intelligent-design theory more reasonable than another. Listeners are essentially left to fill in the blanks for themselves, and some will undoubtedly do so by substituting their religious beliefs for scientific ideas.

Time and again, science has shown that methodological naturalism can push back ignorance, finding increasingly detailed and informative answers to mysteries that once seemed impenetrable: the nature of light, the causes of disease, how the brain works. Evolution is doing the same with the riddle of how the living world took shape. Creationism, by any name, adds nothing of intellectual value to the effort.

The Author(s):

John Rennie is editor in chief of Scientific American.


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To: AndrewC
Just making sure... "Shall be put to death". Does that mean i am supposed to hate, enslave and kill because God says those who do something against God will end up dead? Man, I better conform to unbelievers line of thinking.... </ sarcasm>
102 posted on 06/17/2002 6:58:24 AM PDT by smith288
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To: smith288
Where does it tell me to kill them?

It depends upon how you interpret it, now doesn't it.

103 posted on 06/17/2002 6:59:00 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: VadeRetro
"You spam the same old crap in-line over and over and over ..."

And what would call post #2? I've been seeing that for at least two years and it's no more convincing now, than it was the first time.

104 posted on 06/17/2002 6:59:35 AM PDT by Washington_minuteman
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To: jlogajan
No, it depends on your motives. My motive is to read the Bible in its entirety to understand Gods words. Not to pick and choose and run with it.
105 posted on 06/17/2002 7:00:51 AM PDT by smith288
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To: medved
In forming a judgement of evolutionism, you must at some point consider the circumstances under which it arose and the most probable set of reasons for its rise to dominance.

You've heard of the Medelin Cartel, El Pino, Pablo Escobar, the Pagans, and all of the other drug dealers of our times. The truth is, all together they probably don't add up to a hill of beans compared to the operations of the British empire in the 19'th century. At least one major eastern city was set up for no other reason than to serve as a conduit for Indian opium into China and an entire war was fought to protect the opium trade.

Now, you don't need to be Albert Einstein to comprehend that for a supposedly Christian nation to be engaging in this sort of business must have created at least two problems on an organizational level. One was the question of motivating men to fight and die for such causes: "For God, Bonnie Queen Vickie, and the Opium Trade, CHARGE!!!!!!" probably wouldn't get it...

The other problem which springs to mind immediately would be that which the CEO or chairman of the board of the East India Company must have faced in conducting board meatings. Picture it:

"Gentlemen, I have some good news, and I have some bad news. The good news is that profits are up 73.2% on a volume of trade which has increased 27% over the same three-month period last year, and that all of our operations appear to be running smoothly. Indigenous peoples of India, Burma, China, and several other areas with a propensity to cause problems are now happily stoned out of their minds on our products, and are causing no further trouble."

"The bad news is that we're all probably going to spend the next 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years roasting on a barbecue pit for this shit..."

Now picture Chuck Darwin walking into this scene and telling all of these people that they're sitting around worrying over nothing, and that the only moral law in nature is "The Survival of the Fittest". Can you not see all of those peoples' eyes lighting up, their hair standing straight up, and somebody screaming "By Jove, I think he's got it?"

I mean, it doesn't even matter what led Darwin to devise the theory of evolution. In any normal time or set of circumstances, he'd have either been laughed to scorn, hanged, or burned. He succeeded precisely because he solved several major problems for the Godfathers of 100 years ago. In other words, there's more than a little truth to my claim that someone has to be stoned to buy off on this BS.

106 posted on 06/17/2002 7:01:00 AM PDT by medved
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To: AndrewC
And your "better" cousin, with ~200 times more genes than you!

Yes indeed! It is interesting that as far as the number of genes, humans have devolved from the simple amoeba!

107 posted on 06/17/2002 7:01:45 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: medved
In forming a judgement of evolutionism, you must at some point consider the circumstances under which it arose and the most probable set of reasons for its rise to dominance.

Actually, that would be a classic case of the fallacy of argumentum ad hominem.

109 posted on 06/17/2002 7:03:10 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: Deutsch
Shame on you. You should know by now that pea brained evolutionists/liberals need lots of proof. Include Revelation 20:12 with your verse.

You will also need to demonstrate that Revelation 20:12 is accurate. Assertions without evidence are typically ignored.
110 posted on 06/17/2002 7:04:01 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: medved
I'll be a 'believer' in evolution when someone can demonstrate a computer simulation that embodies all the underlying assumptions contained in evolution and can show how a set of chemicals can become a human being in a finite amount of time. Can any evos out there send me a reference to such a simulation?
111 posted on 06/17/2002 7:06:31 AM PDT by ZeitgeistSurfer
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To: ShadowAce
Why would a successful fish crawl up onto land? Why would a successful monkey leave the trees that make up his home?

Alterations in an environment can make traits that previously inhibited survival into essential functions of the organism.
112 posted on 06/17/2002 7:06:48 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: jlogajan
since everything has common ancestry.

The premise.

113 posted on 06/17/2002 7:07:29 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: PatrickHenry
...the massing evidence from paleontology, genetics, zoology, molecular biology and other fields gradually established evolution's truth beyond reasonable doubt.

When a Scientific American article opens with a sweeping, bald-faced lie such as this, then the rest of the article may safely be assumed to be a worthless polemic, not science.

Attacking Creationists is a political act, not a scientific one, and it should be well-noted that the politics are Leftist. True science takes no political position.

114 posted on 06/17/2002 7:07:40 AM PDT by Phaedrus
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To: smith288
No, it depends on your motives.

You are simply denying the existance of literalists who have an interpretation that differs from yours. Many literalists say the human punishment for homosexuality is indeed to put the homosexual to death -- as justified by the Bible.

Your interpretation is different -- yet you both claim to be literalists.

So where does that leave us? The Bible is ambiguous. No two literalists read it the same way. Therefore if the Bible is 100% true, nobody seems to agree what that truth really is.

Maybe some "literalists" have a sufficiently flexible interpretation that they can read evolution into the allegorical nature of most of the Bible.

You say they're wrong, they say you're wrong. I'll let you duke it out. But to say you have a lock on the one true literal interpretation -- that's laughable.

115 posted on 06/17/2002 7:07:42 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: Washington_minuteman
At least post #2 is all links, as opposed to several thousand words posted in line. It's all a matter of simple courtesy, which Mr. Saturn seems to lack.
116 posted on 06/17/2002 7:08:14 AM PDT by Junior
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To: Gurn
What never ceases to amaze me is that on a supposedly conservative web forum, there are a handful of godless pagans who delight in stirring up trouble, and continually posting this heathen bulls---.

Are you telling me that to be a conservative, one MUST believe in G_d?
117 posted on 06/17/2002 7:08:48 AM PDT by newcats
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To: Washington_minuteman
And what would call post #2? I've been seeing that for at least two years and it's no more convincing now, than it was the first time.

I would call it a list of links. Believe it or not, medved knows how to link when he condescends to do so. But he'd prefer we have to scroll over pages of his same old nonsense on every thread.

118 posted on 06/17/2002 7:09:15 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: gore3000
A question which I never hear evolutionists answer is why if evolution goes on all the time, if evolution occurs because species must adapt to survive, why are amoebas, such simple creatures, still around after some billion years? Why if evolution goes on all the time, these creatures remain simple and unchanged?

The "simple" creatures have been able to survive in their environment. This sounds like another version of "if man came form monkeys, why are there still monkeys", though it lacks the true scientific ignorance of the "monkey-to-man" question.
119 posted on 06/17/2002 7:09:43 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
Can any evos out there send me a reference to such a simulation?

No, so get thee back to the Bible. What are you doing on the internet anyhow? Anything that supports the Bible is superfluous, anything that negates the Bible is heretical. To look at nature for your own answers is to doubt the Bible. Shame shame shame.

120 posted on 06/17/2002 7:10:29 AM PDT by jlogajan
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