The Biblical Jesus Christ never condemned homosexuality

The Liberal Constitutionalist ^

[philman_36]

Romans 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

[philman_36]

It isn't your place to decide.

[fortheDeclaration]

Doesn't even deserve a reply! It is that antiBiblical!

[Frumanchu]

Be careful about the context there, keeping in mind that this speaks on matters of Christian liberty (such as foods previously prohibited by the Mosaic dietary laws). This verse does not apply to something like homosexuality.

[philman_36]

This verse does not apply to something like homosexuality.
Thank you for pointing that out. I had considered placing a disclaimer of some sort in the post stating that it concerned meat, drink and herbs. I too often expect that others know the Word or will look it up for theirselves to see what it is about.

[philman_36]

It does directly address my reply 79.

[usconservative]

I need not speak a word for my peace to be seen.

I want what you have. (That's compliment, btw.) I struggle daily with that very issue. I sure wish I could just put it to rest and get it over with. Some of us take more time I guess (heavy sigh...)

[usconservative]

1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

Thus Jesus' recognition of Pontius Pilate's authority over his (Jesus') life. Even Jesus acknowledged Government's authority over Man, and the ability to enforce law as that ability came from God.

"Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's" comes to mind...

[philman_36]

If I'd shut my mouth more often I'd have less of a struggle. I have a hard time holding back my tongue at times. Sometimes you just have to speak out.
Each of us works out their salvation in their own way and I wish you luck.
Reconcile with the Lord at the days end and contemplate upon the Lord when you're at rest is the best advice I can give you.

[Ol' Sparky]

But it is my place to judge. And I'll be damned if some liberaltarian knuckleheads that want legalize drugs try to redefine the Bible.

[Ol' Sparky]

Either the Bible contradicts itself or you have taken the verse out-of-context. The verse you mentioned involves believers judging other believers on personal eating preferences and issues outside of God's moral laws. It's amazing how liberaltarians and liberals twist the Bible.

[Ol' Sparky]

That's correct. The Bible says to judge "rightly" and would criticize someone -- like an idiot critictizing drug laws -- for judging incorrectly.

[philman_36]

But it is my place to judge.
I'm not saying that it isn't your place to judge. I'm saying that it is your place to judge rightly. I feel that you don't so in some cases.
And I'll be damned if some liberaltarian knuckleheads that want legalize drugs try to redefine the Bible.
So which am I supposed to be? A "liberaltarian knucklehead" or a "Bible redefiner".
I've never claimed to be a Libertarian, much less a liberaltarian (in case you didn't know there is no such thing). You only assert that I am based upon one particular stance of mine. Also, I've not redefined anything that I'm aware of. You need to help me out.
My aren't you upset...

[philman_36]

The verse you mentioned involves believers judging other believers on personal eating preferences and issues outside of God's moral laws.
The verse mentions not judging others on those habits.
My take and your take are obviously different so I'm going to tell you the same thing I said earlier...Each of us works out our salvation in their own.

Just don't presume that you can tell me how to work out my salvation, which is exactly what you're doing, being completely contrary to what the Bible tells us to do.

[My2Cents]

Your comments about the Law's applicability under the New Covenant were good, but you didn't address Rom. 1:26-27 --

26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

[philman_36]

Gen. 1:11 And G_od said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb (6212) yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

G_d's Word.
BTW...I don't see any way whatsoever that those two verses can be taken out of context or "redefined" in any manner. Seems pretty straightforward. Maybe you are the one "redefining things".

[IronJack]

No, but God makes it pretty clear in Leviticus. Sorry, but revisionism doesn't work too well in the religious context.

[Thorondir]

The only thing I posted on this thread was this:
Apparently you don't understand either. Our Lord did not tolerate her wickedness and sin. He spoke to her to call her away from it, not because he tolerated harlotry.

Then you posted this and refered it to me:

Christ did not advocate execution for simply disobeying Biblical laws.

Your assertion that he would have killed the harlot if not for the Roman government is specious and quite silly. He had not appointed himself as a ruler, thus it would be sinful for him to usurp the "power of the State".

Christ was clear that we are to separate ourselves from sinners, not kill them. "Judge not, lest ye be judged".

I have to ask, Are you mentally retarded or just falsely attributing statments to me for some unknown reason?

[Hank Kerchief]

You must have read a different KJV Bible than I did. I don't remember Christ condeming or "not tolerating" the harlot. I remember the townspeople and disciples being mad because they did not understand why he spoke to her.

I'm not sure if you are referring to the woman caught in adultery, here:

John 8:10-11 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. ...where Jesus plainly tells her to "sin no more," or to the Samaritan women, here:

Joh 4:5-42 Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph. Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour. There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.(For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.) Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw. Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly. The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her? The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men, Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ? Then they went out of the city, and came unto him. In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat. But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of. Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work. Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest. And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth. I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours. And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did. So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days. And many more believed because of his own word; And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

I'm sorry the passage is so long, but the fact that Jesus was not condoning this women's behavior, but seeking to save her from it is not apparent without the entire passage. In any case it is one of the most profound passages of Scripture, and includes the wonderful passage, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth," with emphasis on the truth.

Hank

[Hank Kerchief]

Romans 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Taking passages out of context is essentially the same as lying, unless you are unaware that is what you are doing. I give you the benefit of the doubt. This passage is talking about eating meat (food) sacrificed to idols, and deemed 'unclean" because of its religious use. It has nothing to do with moral practices. As you present the verses, virtually anything would be allowed, even theft and murder, so long as one did not esteem those thing "unclean," which you know is an obvious absurdity.

Hank