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I always find it funny that people like to believe the prophecies concerning the Messiah that are fulfilled in Jesus, believe that Jesus is truely who He said He is - the Son of God, with the full divinity as the Father Himself who forgives sin and will judge man (Mat 7:22-23) and then conveniently toss out the Hebrew scriptures because we have a "new covenant". Yet the reason many Jews didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah was because of all of the "Son of David" Messianic prophecies in which the Messiah will rule and reign from Jerusalem with a rod of iron (Psalm 2:9; Rev 2:27) and all of the nations shall come to Him and receive instruction. (Isa 11:10; Rom 15:12) That even if they don't celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles "Sukkot" they won't receive any rain. (Zach 14:18). These same people would then discount the prophetic picture as shown in the Feasts (in which the first 4 have been literally fulfilled on the very day of the feast) not realizing that the word Feast means rehersal of things to come (so just who was the Passover Lamb that John the Baptist and Revelation refer to?). The next Feast which lasts for 2 days is the Feast of Trumpets (because no man knows the exact day the feast begins is celebrated for 2 days) in which the trumpet calls the people to repentance. At this Feast there is a judgment that is made in which the fates of true righteous is sealed as well as the true wicked but for the masses who are not sure the go through the 10 days of Awe. Then the judgment is made of the seperation of the goats (depart from me you worker of iniquity Mat 7:23) and the sheep (Mat 25:21) on the Day of Atonement "Yom Kippur" Then comes the only Feast in which the Jews and Gentiles participate in (and is commended to be celebrated in the 1000 year kingdom reign of Christ) is the Feast of Tabernacles "Sukkot" in which the final harvest is revealed to the Lord and you live in temporary houses.

But ask anyone who holds to the premillennialist view what Christ had in mind when he proclaimed, "Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place" (Matt. 24:34).

Did Jesus come already and I missed it? How about this comment from Jesus: "Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
What happened when James, John and Peter witnessed Jesus who was transfigured into full glory on the mountain (Mat 17:2) with Moses (the righteous dead in Christ) and Elijah (those caught up with Christ) (1Th 4:16-17)

Ask them what the apostle Paul meant when he said, "For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham" (Rom. 9:6b-7a).

Ask them what the apostle Paul meant when he said,
"Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance.
Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all."

Ask them why God felt it was necessary to establish a New Covenant (Heb. 8) if the Old Covenant is yet to be fulfilled. Chances are the answers you receive will be less than satisfactory.

Because only by the tranaction by the Lamb of God receiving our sin and innocent blood of the Lamb Jesus inparts to us His righteousness. But the fullfilment of the scriptures concerning the Messiah ben David (Lion of the tribe of Judah) have yet to be fulfilled!

THANKS for your post. It just boggles my mind that people could read the same Bible and construe such a long, long list of clearly never fulfilled Scriptures as having been fulfilled eons ago. Wish fulfilllment?

And the idea that we are somehow shoehorning this horridly sin beleagured world into the Peaceful perfect world of Christ's soon coming reign . . . it really boggles my mind.

Thankfully, God has never been restrained in the least by those who failed to believe He said what He meant and meant what He said.

Good passage from Rom 11. This caution also appears in Rom 11, for those who believe that God is done with the nation of Israel, and that somehow the promises made to Abraham, Jacob, and David can all be transferred to the church:

Rom 11:17-18: "But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you."

As you already quoted from 11:25, "a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles has come in."