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To: Cvengr
John 10:30 I and My Father are one."

I am not here to change your thinking. Worshiping three gods, however, is not a correct perception of the Lord Jesus Christ. If a person maintains an illusion of three persons or three gods, conjunction with the Lord is not possible. They will not become enlightened or regenerated until the next life where angels take great care to teach that God is one.

The Lord is not divisible by human beings. He is infinite.

I agree totally the Lord has a Divine plan for all. By understanding His Divine Providence, we can see the things in our past from a spiritual degree. During regeneration, this became very clear.

Luke 19:11-27 11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately. 12 Therefore He said: "A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten minas, F122 and said to them, 'Do business till I come.' 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, 'We will not have this man to reign over us.' 15 And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, 'Master, your mina has earned ten minas.' 17 And he said to him, 'Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.' 18 And the second came, saying, 'Master, your mina has earned five minas.' 19 Likewise he said to him, 'You also be over five cities.' 20 Then another came, saying, 'Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.' 22 And he said to him, 'Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?' 24 And he said to those who stood by, 'Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.' 25 (But they said to him, 'Master, he has ten minas.') 26 For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.' "

I know what the Lord has told me through reading and meditating on His Word and its confirmed in countless ways daily. I didn't expect to get a serious reception to my announcement but there it is. I post under my own name.

Eight year olds cannot have a regenerated spirit. Regeneration cannot take place before adulthood. The interiors of a children's mind are not developed yet. 'Original sin' is utter nonsense.

My faith does not allow for mysteries. The nature of the Lord, heaven and hell, his Church on earth and most importantly our own spiritual and celestial development -- our minds and how the Lord interacts with us -- is fully disclosed. We are not asked to beleive the unexplainable.

People of this nation want a true understanding of the Lord before they accept Him and Believe in Him. Trying to scare people will hellfire and eternal damnation does not work. The Lord leads those to heaven with freedom, love and reason.

Blessings,

39 posted on 08/21/2006 8:24:32 PM PDT by DaveMSmith ("With everyone, Christian charity consists in his performing faithfully the duties of his calling".)
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To: DaveMSmith
If a person maintains an illusion of three persons or three gods

One may speak of One God, and speak of Him in three persons, without worshipping three gods.

Consider the argument of de re-de dicto.

Bob and Julie are newlywed students. Bob studies hard and late at night, rising early to attend class and returns home after noontime. Every morning Julie arises a little later and walks up the sunlit lane to a bakery for croissant and coffee. Every morning about 830 she passes an elderly gent, who once introduced himself as Jim, walking his little dog and allowing her to pet the dog. They daily exchange pleasantries and talk about this or that over a three month period, smiling and amiably continue along their different ways.

Several months later, Bob has been cramming hard for a mid-term and remarks, "That miserable Dr. Smith, he knows we haven't covered this material in the course, yet he is failing everybody even though we slave without sleep, studying topics he never teaches us!"

Julie responds, "I have never met Dr. Smith, but surely he isn't that miserable, is he?"

Bob exclaims, "Of course you've seen him, everybody has seen him, he's an institution at this cruddy ol' place and probably will be buried here!"

"Julie responds, "No, I really don;t know who he is, but why don't we go have a croissant and relax until your exam...

Bob and Julie walk up the lane as as they approach the bakery, out around the corner comes Jim, walking his dog, surprising Bob, when Julie interrupts and says, Oh, Jim,..please meet my husband, Bob,..and Bob please meet Jim..."

At this point Bob looks at Julie aghast and exclaims, "You lied, you've known Dr. Smith all along!"

In this case one could speak about the same Professor as a different person, on of the subject and one of the object, nevertheless the same Professor.

40 posted on 08/21/2006 8:48:21 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: DaveMSmith

Once a child reaches the age of accountability, they may indeed be regenerated in the spirit. Some may be of early age before ten, probably after 5-7, many perhaps in their teens, but eight isn't unreasonable, IMHO, but it really isn;t between us, but between the man and the Lord.

You may find the doctrines of original sin, the old sin nature and natural man to provide considerable insight in Biblical history. I encourage you to study the topic.

For example, it isn't surprising that some homosexuals might document a natural proclivity to homosexuality, but they also have an ability to resist temptation through faith in Christ.

Even though God is infinite, He is still able to be the object of faith by even a young child.


41 posted on 08/21/2006 8:53:39 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: DaveMSmith
The interiors of a children's mind are not developed yet.

It is not the mind that is regenerated at salvation, it is the spirit. The mind is sanctified over time , also by the Holy Spirit, but by His plan and our remaining faithful and in fellowship with Him.

42 posted on 08/21/2006 8:57:11 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: DaveMSmith

BTW, if you still consider yourself to be called as the Messiah, you might ask our Lord Christ Jesus, what part of "It is finished now and forever more", was not quite finished at the Cross. Of course if one is spiritually discerning, the person speaking to you might not be identical with our Lord and God, Jesus Christ who sits in heaven at the right side of the Father and who sent the Holy Spirit. It's for you to discern with that person, we have discerned as it as been provided.


46 posted on 08/21/2006 9:17:13 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: DaveMSmith
We are not asked to beleive the unexplainable.

Uh oh, Mr. Smith. Typos are not accidents!

64 posted on 08/25/2006 8:03:35 PM PDT by ladyinred (Leftists, the enemy within.)
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