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To: Catholicguy
I have HAD IT with "apologies." Has ANY RABBI, in the HISTORY of the WORLD APOLOGISED for the role of some Jews in DEICIDE?

I think we Jews have been punished enough by y'all for this, don't you?

It is worth noting further that it was the Romans who executed Jesus, not the Jews.

Additionally, for it to be "deicide", God would have to die. Jews of course do not accept that Jesus was God in the first place, so from our perspective his death could not be deicide. And the very idea of God dying is fraught with existential difficulties.

Has ANY RABBI, in the HISTORY of the WORLD APOLOGISED for the HATE LITERATURE ABOUT OUR SAVIOUR AND HIS MOTHER THAT CONSTITUTED PARTS OF THE TALMUD?

Well, at least you don't call it "blasphemy". There are parts of the Talmud that are critical of Jesus and Mary. Does this surprise you? It repeats rumors about them that were extant during the first centuries of the Christian movement (look up Origen's Contra Celsus). Certainly it is no worse in content, and far less in sheer volume, than the anti-Jewish writings of the church, from the gospel of John to the writings of the church fathers (John Chrysostom, notably).

It is hysterical fulminations such as yours which lead to popes having to apologize for the behavior of Catholics.

18 posted on 05/14/2002 3:26:52 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: angelo
It repeats rumors about them that were extant during the first centuries of the Christian movement (look up Origen's Contra Celsus).

FWIW: Celsus the Platonist

An interesting dissertation on the subject.

21 posted on 05/14/2002 3:41:29 PM PDT by COBOL2Java
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To: angelo
I have HAD IT with "apologies." Has ANY RABBI, in the HISTORY of the WORLD APOLOGISED for the role of some Jews in DEICIDE? I think we Jews have been punished enough by y'all for this, don't you?

You need to re-read what I wrote. "...role of some Jews in Deicide." I am also responsible due to my sins. But, you'll have to try your guilt trip on another as I haven't harmed a Jew in my life and I advocate that the necessity for them to accept Jesus as the Messiah be preached to them, so I don't feel guilty about sins committed by others.

tionally, for it to be "deicide", God would have to die. Jews of course do not accept that Jesus was God in the first place, so from our perspective his death could not be deicide. And the very idea of God dying is fraught with existential difficulties.

There are those who think that death means "cease to exist" rather than "seperation of Body and Soul." I don't know what your thoughts are.

Has ANY RABBI, in the HISTORY of the WORLD APOLOGISED for the HATE LITERATURE ABOUT OUR SAVIOUR AND HIS MOTHER THAT CONSTITUTED PARTS OF THE TALMUD?

l, at least you don't call it "blasphemy".

I am happy to do so. IT IS BLASPHEMY.

Does this surprise you?

No. They lied about Him while He was alive, so lies about Him after death are unsurprising.

Certainly it is no worse in content, and far less in sheer volume, than the anti-Jewish writings of the church, from the gospel of John...

The Gospel of John is TRUTH. That you experience the witness of truth as an attack is judgement about you, isn't it?

It is hysterical fulminations such as yours which lead to popes having to apologize for the behavior of Catholics.

LOL You haven't heard anything, yet. I am part Irish, part Algonquin. BTW, I will alert you a second time to the FACT that I am not moved by such twaddle. Grow-up. You just offered a half-assed defense of BLASPHEMY against Jesus our Saviour in the Talmud but you correct me for being insufficiently Catholic in behavior.

Your arrogance is astounding.

22 posted on 05/14/2002 3:55:07 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: angelo
Angelo, aren't you the gentlemen that was previously a Christian?
25 posted on 05/14/2002 4:09:56 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: angelo
Additionally, for it to be "deicide", God would have to die. Jews of course do not accept that Jesus was God in the first place, so from our perspective his death could not be deicide. And the very idea of God dying is fraught with existential difficulties.

Oh come on now, He was resting on the Sabbath! :-)

30 posted on 05/14/2002 5:06:13 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: angelo;drstevej;the_doc;Jerry_M;OrthodoxPresbyterian;all
"...And the very idea of God dying is fraught with existential difficulties."

Is that what you actually think Christians believe? Hahahaha

Where in the (carefully chosen word) hell did you get that idea???

164 posted on 05/20/2002 7:56:22 AM PDT by Matchett-PI
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