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To: CCWoody
You would be suggesting that the Lord promised to pay for all the sins in the whole world! Scripture source please....

Gladly!



NIV John 1:7
 7.  He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe.
(sounds like the WHOLE WORLD to me!)
 
 
NIV John 3:17
 17.  For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
(sounds like the WHOLE WORLD to me!)
 
 
NIV Acts 13:38-41
 38.  "Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you.
 39.  Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.
 40.  Take care that what the prophets have said does not happen to you:
 41.  "`Look, you scoffers, wonder and perish, for I am going to do something in your days that you would never believe, even if someone told you.' "
(sounds like the WHOLE WORLD to me!)
 
 
NIV Colossians 1:19-20
 19.  For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
 20.  and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
(sounds like the WHOLE WORLD to me!)
 
 
NIV Hebrews 7:25
25.  Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
(sounds like the WHOLE WORLD to me!)

34 posted on 05/07/2002 3:20:48 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Elsie
Ignoring your misuse of scripture for a moment, why then is everyone not saved? And why does God, who hates a false balance, then punish 2 people (Jesus and the sinner in hell) for the same sins?

Is Jesus unable to keep His promise to pay for all sins?

36 posted on 05/07/2002 3:25:04 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: Elsie; CCWoody
"(sounds like the WHOLE WORLD to me!)"

Unless you are going to tell us that everyone will be saved (Universalism), then maybe those verses you produced aren't saying what you think they say. Maybe they aren't talking about all men, everywhere, without exception.

37 posted on 05/07/2002 3:28:23 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: Elsie
NIV John 1:7 7. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe.

ALL 3956 Go to Jhn 1:7
> 3956 pas {pas}
including all the forms of declension; TDNT - 5:886,795; adj
AV - all 748, all things 170, every 117, all men 41, whosoever 31, everyone 28, whole 12, all manner of 11, every man
11, no + 3756 9, every thing 7, any 7, whatsoever 6, whosoever + 3739 + 302 3, always + 1223 3, daily + 2250 2, any thing 2, no + 3361 2, not tr 7, misc 26; 1243

1) individually
1a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
2) collectively
2a) some of all types ++++ ... "the whole world has gone after him" Did all the world go after Christ? "then went all Judea, and were baptized of him in Jordan." Was all Judea, or all Jerusalem, baptized in Jordan? "Ye are of God, little children", and the whole world lieth in the wicked one". Does the whole world there mean everybody? The words "world" and "all" are used in some seven or eight senses in Scripture, and it is very rarely the "all" means all persons, taken individually. The words are generally used to signify that Christ has redeemed some of all sorts -- some Jews, some Gentiles, some rich, some poor, and has not restricted His redemption to either Jew or Gentile ...

C.H. Spurgeon from a sermon on Particular Redemption

Some times ALL does not mean all Elsie

40 posted on 05/07/2002 3:32:52 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Elsie
NIV John 3:17 17. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. (sounds like the WHOLE WORLD to me!)

Could you explain why God failed?

41 posted on 05/07/2002 3:33:56 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Elsie
NIV Acts 13:38-41 38. "Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. 39. Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses. 40. Take care that what the prophets have said does not happen to you: 41. "`Look, you scoffers, wonder and perish, for I am going to do something in your days that you would never believe, even if someone told you.' " (sounds like the WHOLE WORLD to me!)

No actually it is 39. Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.

BUT not everyone believes...so that can not mean the WHOLE world Elsie Only those that believe.."all of a kind":>))))

42 posted on 05/07/2002 3:36:30 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Elsie
NIV Colossians 1:19-20 19. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20. and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. (sounds like the WHOLE WORLD to me!)

Christs Blood is sufficent for all Elsie but only effective for those that come!

44 posted on 05/07/2002 3:38:11 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Elsie
NIV Hebrews 7:25 25. Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. (sounds like the WHOLE WORLD to me!)

No, again it is a limited all Elsie..self limited right in the text you quote...It is effective only for those that come...not the whole world..a limited all Elsie...

46 posted on 05/07/2002 3:40:49 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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