Posted on 05/05/2002 9:51:37 PM PDT by rpage3
As long as they come up through the southern border I don't see them having much of a problem.
In some modern languages
(Turkish, for example)
the Palestinians actually are called Philistines.
However, the Philistines were not Arabs
and the present day 'Palestinians' are not their descendents.
If the Greek of the NT, the term would be merely a shortening of the Latin term "Syria Palestensis," which was the legal term for Syria's southern, coastal appendage from a couple of decades after 62 BC until the term Judaea replaced it with the coming of the dynasty of Herod.
If it appeared in the Hebrew of the OT, which it does, it is a transliteration of the Hebrew "Pleshet" (name of a coastal area, a region) or of the Hebrew "Pleshtim" (name of a people, the Europoid coastal invaders called Philistines in the English bibles), with the term "Pleshti" as adjective and individual-noun forms. All these refer to the Europoid invaders of 1290-1150 BC, who were decimated by Saul and David in the 1040-970 BC era, and completely exterminated by Solomon by 940 BC.
The mixed mongrel people Arafat represents and rules are ARABS, not Pleshtim, thus Semite/Hamite mixed, not Japhetic as the Pleshtim were...
and it is highly ironic that when his group of mixties that had come in to labor for the Jews decided to take a name, they took the name of an ancient people the Jews had exterminated. No one who lived between 940 BC and 1960 AD claimed to be a Pleshti, one of the Pleshtim, or a resident or citizen of a nation called Pleshet.
Nevertheless, the prophets of Israel---Zechariah, Joel 3, Isaiah 14, did foretell that in the End of Days some people would exist who would be called by that name, even though the (ancient Pleshtim) were already long extinct when those prophets wrote! The fate of that end-time people is given, and it is one they well deserve and which we are eagerly awaiting.
We all know that is what YOU meant so arguing on your understanding of words is useless. What you are saying is that the Palestinians existed then and deserve the Jews giving up their land now to make them exist. You use the Bible as the foundation of your argument by changing the meanings of the words to what you want. Don't work that way. God knows what the meaning of "is" is.
Then you deny God by asking if I believe in a God that... denying the very Bible you pretended to believe in the first place, followed by using the New Testament to drive a wedge against the Jews. You are about to learn a scripture The Word of God is a two-edged sword, it cuts both ways. Now that you have used the Bible as a weapon, you will be judged by it.
You just opened a God sized can of Whoop-ass, and there is no-one who can cork it but God Himself.
But would Jordan take the west bank? Someone posted a message here last month saying that Jordan's decision to cede the west bank was the wisest decision that country every made. He may have been right.
If Sharon can build settlements to constitute "facts on the ground" to establish his claim to the West Bank, the Palestinians there can increase their birthrate to establish another undeniable set of facts on the ground. What went before isn't so meaningful as what's happening now. And right now, as far as I can seem, both sides are establishing a demographic battle for the West Bank. Sharon builds settlements and invites Brooklyn jews and Russian jews to come live in them. The Palestinians respond by knocking up every girl over age 7.
Well maybe Israel shouldn't be the Jewish state, anymore than America should be the Christian state. We let anyone come in here, regardless of their religion or ethnicity. It's worked pretty well so far, as long as people don't abuse the privilege. Whose to say it wouldn't work in Israel? You might say that would be a tragedy for there to be no Jewish state. Well, America isn't a Christian state and no one calls that a tragedy. In fact a lot of people would say it's one of our strengths.
Su'pose this
Israel disappers - everything - people, buildings, the land is scraped clear
The Palestinian people would still have to BEG for food and support from others. They have no plans to be self-sufficent and even gaining 100% of Israel would not change this.
If their people have no hope it is because of their own leaders lack of vision.
They used to be pretty content. Now they find that 40% of their fellow Israelis want them to leave (and the percentage is growing daily). Maybe the "kill the Arabs" chants from the right wing are getting to them.
One little problem with that approach is the relative fertility rates of the Arabs vs. the Israelis, combined with the well-proven Arab/Muslim tendency to exterminate all other peoples and faiths whenever they gain enough power to do so.
If Israel ever became 51% Arab, in three months it would be 100% Arab. Its former Jewish inhabitants would all be in Brooklyn or feeding the crabs at the bottom of the Mediterranean.
This must never be allowed to happen. There is no solution to the Middle East problem except to keep the murderous Ishmaelites under the whip of the civilized nations.
-ccm
The only area that they where loosely tied to was Syria, where the did a good part of their wandering in. When Great Britian gave up their claims to the land in the middleast and in conjuction with the League of Nations brought about the creation of a number of Arab states i.e Iran, Iraq, Israel etc. These various nomads which had no ties to any particular state had to be given a state also because the newly created states where not going to let them just wander in and out of their's.
So that is the reason for the creation of the state of Jordan. The original size and place of the state of Israel that was laid out and perposed by Britian was to be the same land as the Lord had described in the bible or pretty close to it which , by the way extended a good ways past the jordan river, much lees the so called west bank. The newly created Arab states violently protested the presence of the Jewish state which helped bring about their own creation, inpart because of the british decision to give the Jewish people a homeland. So they did everything they could to squeeze the state out of existence and the Jews recieved less that a third of what they where suppoosed to get with the bulk of going to create the state of Jordan the "first land for peace deal".
When the British refused to take anymore from them they demanded that the Arab states keep their agreement to recognise the state of Israel. The state Israel was voted into existance and within 24hrs, the five Arab states of about a hundred- fifty million people did what they have been doing ever since 1948 and launched an all out attack on the State of Israel's less than three million people. Then the Lord did what He has been doing since then and give the Arabs a bloody nose. The west bank was given that name by Jordan and was taken from them in the 67 war.
Israel was negociating with Egypt and Jordan over the territories they lost to Israel as a result of their attack on Israel. Egypt got the Sinai back and most of their army and tanks that where surrounded in the desert for the agreement to recognise Israel which they had already agreed to in 1948 but never had. Their was also much pleading and pressure by the U.S., for them not to finish off the people who had just tried to destroy them. Sound familar? The west bank was being negociated between Israel and Jordan when some guy named Arafat showed up from a far and convinced Jordan to give up it's claim to the west bank so he could try to eventually lay claim to it for the "people.
The King of Jordan was agreeable to this so he could get Arafat and his followers, whom he had run out of Jordan for trying to take over it by riots and such,out of his hair. This is why the land is still in dispute because Jordan never reached an agreement with Israel and so it is rightfully still Israel's. You never heard of the Palestinians clamoring for a homeland until after the 1967 war when Arafat started to build his own little kingdom.
Why because they already had a home, created just for them, called Jordan, built on land orginally intended for Israel. Sorry for the long post. I don't guess very many will read this anyhow.
I read it. It is good.
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