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To: DouglasKC
Doug.....go and read that again with great care...

Note that SEVERAL books are mentioned...there is the book of life (containing the names of the elect) and the "other" books..the books of judgement. The elect are not in the judgement books as Jesus has paid the price and took their judgement for them

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Please note the judgements were not from the book of life here...but from the "other books"

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Yes there is a need for the lost to be "judged..as every man must know why he deserves hell Doug

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

2Cr 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body, according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad

Ecc 3:17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for [there is] a time there for every purpose and for every work.

Doug as you read Chapter 19 you see the marriage supper is prepared...now you do not prepare a marriage supper without already having a bride..The Bride is the church dressed in fine white linin..The Bride has her name written in the book of life..there is no sin judgement for the Bride as her sin was paid for in total by the Lamb...HE paid the Brides price

There is no record of our sins to be opened

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross...He nailed them to the cross

And so the Bride waits as the judgement of God falls on the unsaved..

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire

Psa 28:4 Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

The Book of life is opened for the reward of the Saints..a judgement of works unto reward..not damnation

Doug I do not have much of an interest in the end times as a study..but there is no scripture to indicate that there will be salvation based on works for anyone.Only the elect written in the Lambs book will be at that celebration!

2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:

71 posted on 05/06/2002 11:58:34 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Yes there is a need for the lost to be "judged..as every man must know why he deserves hell Doug

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Calvinistic thought teach that those who are the elect and those who are not are predestined to be that way and nothing changes that? Why would there have to be any kind of judgment and why would it need to be explained?

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

This verse occurs at Christ’s second coming just before the first resurrection. Nobody has yet received any reward. It’s also interesting that John differentiates between saints, prophets and servants. He also differentiates between these and others who fear his name, great and small. Calvinistic belief would say that each one of these are descriptions of the same people I take it. But that doesn’t seem evident from the verse.

The Book of life is opened for the reward of the Saints..a judgement of works unto reward..not damnation

The saints, the elect, have already received their reward long before the book of life is opened. They have already received immortal bodies at the 2nd coming of Christ. They were already made kings and priests in the millennial kingdom.

Doug I do not have much of an interest in the end times as a study..but there is no scripture to indicate that there will be salvation based on works for anyone.Only the elect written in the Lambs book will be at that celebration!

That’s a pity because it’s an interesting subject. I also don’t believe that a salvation based on works is evidenced in the bible. I believe that at the great white throne judgment after the millennium that all are taught the truth from the books of the bible and are judged on whether or not they now accept the truth.

2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:

2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

And what is the doctrine of Christ?

2Jo 1:5 And now I beseech you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment to you, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, as you heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.

107 posted on 05/06/2002 6:05:40 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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