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To: Jerry_M
And what if Scripture tells you that you will never want to make the choice for the good?

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes. - Romans 3:10-18

Paul is quoting from the Septugaint Psalms here. I don't have a version to see what context this Psalm was written in, but it's clear from Pauls use of it that he's using it to show that man is a sinful creature, which I don't think any Christian would deny. He's describing the general state of mankind, not establishing that we are incapable of submitting our will to God.

Some things never change:
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. - Genesis 6:5 (In other words, "all evil, all the time".)
Face it, we have already rejected God, we already have His judgment upon us, and we all deserve death and hell. It is only by His grace that He chooses to save any of us. Salvation is of the LORD - Jonah 2:9b

Agreed.

183 posted on 05/07/2002 8:14:24 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
"He's describing the general state of mankind, not establishing that we are incapable of submitting our will to God."

Once again: Huh?

(BTW, Paul is quoting from Psalm 14, which is an indictment of sinners, present company included. Whether you read from the Septuagint or the Masoretic text, this fact is clear.)

What is there that resides within your sinful flesh that would ever want to submit to God? The whole point of Romans 1-3 is the fact that all of us stand guilty before God, and that we are totally undone in our sin. If you continue reading in Romans you discover that we are saved only because of the direct intervention of God into our pathetic sinful lives. Paul also shows us the ongoing battle between the work of the Spirit and the flesh in which we still reside in chapter seven. Even after regeneration we still have this struggle due to the wickedness of our flesh.

Let me ask you this: Why are you so determined that it is you who has submitted yourself to God? Why not concede that this is the result of the working of His Holy Spirit within you, and that this would have never taken place without the application of His grace?

190 posted on 05/07/2002 8:24:06 AM PDT by Jerry_M
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