BINGO!!
This is exactly what we have been saying for more than two years now, but the Arminians haven't given us the charity of conceding that this is what we believe.
We have stated, over and over and over, that man is required to obey God, that he is responsible for this obedience regardless of his desires. Yet, as we have demonstrated in Scripture, no man will obey, no man will choose any God pleasing action, in and of himself, for he doesn't want to do so. This is no way invalidates the responsibility or minimizes the penalty for non-obedience.
This is why the Holy Spirit needs to regenerate those who are dead in trespasses and sins. This is the miracle of the new birth, the implanting of a heart that loves God and seeks to please Him.
I'd just like to point out that Jerry and I are talking about 2 different things with our posts.
And Jerry, the Calvinists have demonstrated their version of "charity" toward the Arminian viewpoint here. (and subsequent posts).
What a wonderful way of sharing the Calvinist "gospel." When your buddies say that Arminianism is the "lie of Eden," that Arminianism is "satanic," and speak of the "sovereign drugge of Arminianism," and when your buddies tell the Catholics that they are "Satanically screwed," do you really expect to be shown "charity?"
It is clear that there is no reasonable discussion with the Calvinists. You don't have to care about your behavior because you are the "elect" and you believe you're going to heaven no matter how you act and no matter what you say. You will scream and holler that you believe otherwise, but your actions speak louder than your words.
I see no further reason to discuss anything with any of you. Your credibility has been spent. No, it's been squandered.