God So Loved The World

http://www.prca.org/pamphlets/pamphlet_52.html ^ | 5/3/02 | Prof. Homer C. Hoeksema

[CCWoody]

I may be slow, but I finally got it. Funny!

[Matchett-PI]

"What in the name of Hell (my words chosen carefully) is this strange and weak "jesus", who whimpers and whines and cannot effect His heart's desire?"

My thoughts exactly! Those are the words of a female or a feminized male. The God/Man, Jesus, never, ever talked in such a pansy-sounding, prissy manner. That post should have had a "Barf-Alert" caveat.

[Wrigley]

I wouldn't have even rented it. You made the movie so interesting that I had to watch. For that, you get my points.

[RnMomof7]

I was well under 5 guys..but I do raise my hands in church I must confess....and I have read "Who chose the nails"(but not any of the "left behind "series...But my favorite Question was.....drum roll please.......... 27. Do you agree with, and promote the writings of Charles Finney? if yes -2 I answered NO... OP and Matchett-PI would kill me:>)

[RnMomof7]

You are out of here Steve sorry you need to go to the Arminain corner and take your 4 1/2 petal tulip with ya LOL

[drstevej]

BTW, I went to Dallas Seminary with Cliff Barrows son, Bob. We used to sing,

"His eye is on Bob Barrows, and I know He watches me."

[Jerry_M]

#26 was my favorite, but not knowing those guys should earn a larger score (penalty). The writings of Spurgeon, Calvin, Edwards (I don't think Charnock, or Owens, or Watson are in there, but they should be, along with Bunyan) are like mother's milk to me, I can't get enough of them.

[Matchett-PI]

I got a 1. The "big screen" nailed me. :D

[Matchett-PI]

"We used to sing, "His eye is on Bob Barrows, and I know He watches me."

LOL!!

[RnMomof7]

"His eye is on Bob Barrows, and I know He watches me."

For some reason this does not surprise me..make that 4 1/4 petal tulip:>)

[RnMomof7]

Ya need to raise your hands just once..you are a non conformist..it will not be hard:>)))

[RnMomof7]

Hey, we're Dutch, I was trying to save you a couple bucks on the rental. I should really give you my points. You did watch it of your own free-will, didn't you? I didn't 'force' you to watch it. Hey -you even got a free critique from me!

ROTFLOL...I think the devil made you both do it (I have heard he was Dutch..at least that was what my grandma called my grandpa:>)

[drstevej]

Hey, after taking a reading exam in Dutch... I'm convinced -- the Devil is definitely Dutch!

[Jean Chauvin]

"I wouldn't have even rented it. You made the movie so interesting that I had to watch. For that, you get my points."

Ah, the 'lie of Eden'!

Jean

[RnMomof7]

Ah, the 'lie of Eden'!

yep Steve he is!!

[Hank Kerchief]

The grace of God makes man born again..it makes him the perfect creation that God had planned him to be before the fall.....once the man is born again his desires change and he now not only can choose God ,but he desires to choose God.

God does not demand that we desire to choose Him, but that we obey, whether we desire to or not. There is no virtue in doing what one desires. Virture is in doing right, in spite of our desires.

This Calvinist idea that sin has to do with desire is very destructive and deceptive. One does not need to desire God to choose to obey Him, one only needs to understand what is right, and to do it.

If you only ever choose what you desire, and never choose what you do not desire, you are not a child of God.

Hank

[Hank Kerchief]

Do you agree with, and promote the writings of Charles Finney? if yes -2 I answered NO

There may be some things you do not know about Finney. He made mistakes in his theology, just as Calvin did, because he was only a man, but, unlike Calvin, he was used by God to win many souls, possibly more than any other single individual. Since most know very little about his history and influence, you may not know how his influence brought about great revivals in Korea and China which to this day are responsible for underground Christian churches in those countries.

If you have never read anything by the Goforths, Jonathan and Roslind, (lifelong missionaries to China, 1888-1938) you will find them immensley enjoyable, and a great blessing. However, do not look for any Calvinist teaching in them, though they were Presbytarians.

Hank

[oremus]

Your outrageous blasphemy is seriously making me want to barf.

Good-bye.

[oremus]

What a bunch of pure man-made rubbish. Every last bit of it. Not worth refuting. You use Scripture to prove NOTHING but what your itching ears and hardened hearts want to hear.

And go talk to some confused soul who really worships the Pope - problem is such a person would be harder to find than a needle in a haystack.

Jesus Christ is my only Lord and Savior (DUH). May he have mercy on you for your ignorant blasphemies.

Good-bye.

[Jerry_M]

"God does not demand that we desire to choose Him, but that we obey, whether we desire to or not."

BINGO!!

This is exactly what we have been saying for more than two years now, but the Arminians haven't given us the charity of conceding that this is what we believe.

We have stated, over and over and over, that man is required to obey God, that he is responsible for this obedience regardless of his desires. Yet, as we have demonstrated in Scripture, no man will obey, no man will choose any God pleasing action, in and of himself, for he doesn't want to do so. This is no way invalidates the responsibility or minimizes the penalty for non-obedience.

This is why the Holy Spirit needs to regenerate those who are dead in trespasses and sins. This is the miracle of the new birth, the implanting of a heart that loves God and seeks to please Him.