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To: Corin Stormhands; Jerry_M; xzins; the_doc; drstevej
So then he didn't miss it after all. Or are you pulling something out of context to trash one of the greatest missionaries, evangelists and statesmen of the last century?

Nope, Jones totally missed it. Now, Jones is correct that Christ gave himself completely to us and the Lord asks us to do the same thing. But, that doesn't mean that the Lord has put us first. We are commanded to put the Lord first even over ourselves. Now, if the Lord was to do that with us the He would be an IDOLATER.

So, yes, Jones totally missed it, even when he believed he was proving it with his point. However, since I know the Lord in a way that you non-Calvinists don't, but should, I was not fooled for a moment. The Lord is far more holy that you can possibly imagine. And contrary to any smug attitudes, man is not the center of salvation or even the goal of the redemptive work of Christ. The mercy that man receives is penultimate to God's ultimate purpose in putting Himself first with the display of His glory, smug little lovey-dovey attitudes aside.

The Lord really is just holy enough to condemn a man for his rebellion and hatred of Him without ever seeing that a missionary stops by even 1 single time as the man hates God all the way to the Lake of Fire.

And I am not trashing Dr. Jones. I even said about his book that he is presenting the gospel itself. That's a pretty high compliment in the land of non-Calvinism where the gospel has been lost. Even Dr. Jones could see that. But, then he had an idea of what the gospel actually is.

I might even dare to point out that since Calvinism is the nickname for the gospel Arminianism is just a nickname for the lost gospel that sows tares into the church. Gosh, none of you non-Calvinist here have been able to name the gospel (5 words) or express the gospel (3 words), much less preach the gospel. Instead you are substituting things that are not the gospel and calling it the gospel. And that seems to be sowing quite a lot of tares and chaff into the church. And Rev 3:20 is not the gospel, despite what some of you non-Calvinist have said.

222 posted on 05/04/2002 1:41:51 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody; xzins; winstonchurchill; ShadowAce; zshhh; Revelation 911; fortheDeclaration
Nope, Jones totally missed it.

Actually Woody, I have no problem with the fact that you disagree with Dr. Jones. Knowing his life and his ministry, I think that is your loss as well as your error, but certainly your right.

I merely was commenting on the fact that in Post #135 you said Dr. Jones was right in context. That just seems inconsistent with saying he "totally missed it."

I'm sorry we can't come up with your 5 magic words to describe the gospel. Are you looking for a New Testament version of the Jabez Prayer? I don't know if you want the Four Spiritual Laws or the Chick Tract.

This is the gospel Woody:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

-John 3:16

It doesn't matter if I use 5 words, 5 thousand words or 5 million words...I can't say it any better than that.

229 posted on 05/04/2002 2:31:12 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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