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I recently asked one of your "Calvinist" people whether or not God loves only the elect (and HATES everyone else)? I was answered with the "Jacob I loved and Esau I hated" verse. I then asked them whether or not they loved their lost and departed freinds and relatives more than God did, and whether God could possibly send someone he "loved" to hell, and that person refused to answer.

This article says that God loves EVERYONE, elect and unelect. And that God also HATES the sinful state of everyone elect and unelect. Gee I agree. What 's wrong with this picture? Is the author wrong?

So if you think God loves only the elect, then according to this author you are a Hypercalvinist. I have often quoted J. Vernon McGee as someone I agree with almost all the time. I have been told by members of the Calvinist clique here that J. Vernon McGee is not a "real" Calvinist, but some kind of Calmanian. However McGee is listed on several Calvinist sites as an example of a "famous" Calvinist along with Spurgeon and John MacArthur.

My objections to Calvinism are mostly in regard to the things I see are listed here as examples of Hyper-Calvinism. So what is it? Are you guys in agreement with the author here? Or is the author some kind of heretic like me?

So if you think God loves only the elect, then according to this author you are a Hypercalvinist. I have often quoted J. Vernon McGee as someone I agree with almost all the time. I have been told by members of the Calvinist clique here that J. Vernon McGee is not a "real" Calvinist, but some kind of Calmanian. However McGee is listed on several Calvinist sites as an example of a "famous" Calvinist along with Spurgeon and John MacArthur.

Well, I have never said that God only loves the elect. In fact, I have actually said the opposite:

1 John 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
1 John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him sould not perish bu have everlasting life.

However, you have the problem of explaining just exactly how God loves somebody whom He knowingly never gives enough grace to believe in a saving way given your fundamental beliefs.

And I have also, if you would understand my posts, stated that God also hates us when we are in Adam as the article points out. From my meditations from the 1st:

Psalm 5:5 The boastful shall not stand in Your sight; You hate all workers of iniquity.

My objections to Calvinism are mostly in regard to the things I see are listed here as examples of Hyper-Calvinism. So what is it? Are you guys in agreement with the author here? Or is the author some kind of heretic like me?

Actually, I'm still digesting the article. Believe it or not, but much of it also applies to Arminianism as well. Go figure!

You and I had such an exchange..and I maintain my positon.....Sin is an abomination to a Holy God..he hates it..and yes he hates the unregenerate sinner ,(which is all unsaved mankind ). As I asked you how could it be that God loves those He condemns to hell.