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To: CCWoody; Corin Stormhands; fortheDeclaration; zshhh; ShadowAce; SpookBrat
Any of the following would make one a "hyper-Arminian": carrying the "fairness" of God to a "Plan B" method of salvation. carrying the "love" of God to universalism. etc...

You asked what Jerry thought. I think my writing is on your mind. But, then again, I could be flattering myself. Thanks for the compliment.

I believe the Love of God is God's primary attribute and that any supposed act/teaching of God will pass the love test.

I believe that those who have never heard of Christ are under a different judicial dispensation. They are in a different position from those who have rejected Christ. (Albeit not a particularly good position.....far better to pass from death to life through the marvelous grace of our loving Lord.)

102 posted on 05/03/2002 7:49:36 PM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
"I believe the Love of God is God's primary attribute..."

I assume you mean the love of God for lost sinners? (You have already told me, on more than one occasion, that God's love for Himself and His glory is not what you refer to when you talk about God's love.)

Just who did God love prior to creating anyone to love? Did He obtain this "primary attribute" as a result of His creative work?

103 posted on 05/03/2002 8:00:12 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: xzins
"I believe that those who have never heard of Christ are under a different judicial dispensation. They are in a different position from those who have rejected Christ. (Albeit not a particularly good position.....far better to pass from death to life through the marvelous grace of our loving Lord.)"

And it is this non-Calvinist belief that stifles and kills evangelism. Why would I want to give someone a chance to reject Christ and be damned to hell when they might just get to heaven (even though by a "lesser route") via your "different judicial dispensation"??

Why worry about the Gospel when there is always "Plan B"?

104 posted on 05/03/2002 8:03:19 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: xzins
You asked what Jerry thought. I think my writing is on your mind. But, then again, I could be flattering myself. Thanks for the compliment. I believe the Love of God is God's primary attribute and that any supposed act/teaching of God will pass the love test. I believe that those who have never heard of Christ are under a different judicial dispensation. They are in a different position from those who have rejected Christ. (Albeit not a particularly good position.....far better to pass from death to life through the marvelous grace of our loving Lord.)

You have to be careful here. The 'heathen' will be judged on a different standard then the Jew (conscience vs Law)(Rom.2) but both will stand condemned for not believing in Christ.

God draws all men to himself (Jn.12:32) thus, those who have hardened themselves and resist, are without excuse (Rom.1:20).

122 posted on 05/04/2002 12:20:57 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: xzins; Jerry_M
I believe that those who have never heard of Christ are under a different judicial dispensation. They are in a different position from those who have rejected Christ. (Albeit not a particularly good position.....far better to pass from death to life through the marvelous grace of our loving Lord.)

Yeah, I know. BTW, it seems to be a rather common theme among you Arminians that one must actively reject Christ to be thrown into the Lake of Fire. Perhaps you just simply don't think that God is holy enough to have already condemned the entire race a long time ago and out of the pleasure of His will and mercy has elected to save some for His glory and leave the rest to be burned for His glory

131 posted on 05/04/2002 7:05:52 AM PDT by CCWoody
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To: xzins; Jerry_M
I believe that those who have never heard of Christ are under a different judicial dispensation. They are in a different position from those who have rejected Christ. (Albeit not a particularly good position.....far better to pass from death to life through the marvelous grace of our loving Lord.)

Yeah, I know. BTW, it seems to be a rather common theme among you Arminians that one must actively reject Christ to be thrown into the Lake of Fire. Perhaps you just simply don't think that God is holy enough to have already condemned the entire race a long time ago and out of the pleasure of His will and mercy has elected to save some for His glory and leave the rest to be burned for His glory

132 posted on 05/04/2002 7:06:28 AM PDT by CCWoody
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