Posted on 04/26/2002 9:01:52 AM PDT by WhatNot
Many churches focus on the "eucharist," which for them means the bread of the Lord's Supper. Other believer's don't think the concept of the eucharist is Biblical. But the concept of "eucharist" is Biblical. The word "eucharist" comes from the Greek "eu" meaning "good" and "charis" meaning "grace" or "blessing." The eucharist at the Last Supper was not the bread itself, but the blessing Messiah said over the bread. The blessing is one said in Jewish homes to this day: "Baruch Atah Adonai Elohaynu Melech Ha Olam, Ha Motzee Lechem Min Ha Aretz" - "Blessed are You O Lord Our God, King of the Universe, Who brings forth bread from the earth." This is the true eucharist.
The true eucharist is never eaten, it is given. It is a blessing of thanks to God. It's not the bread, it is the blessing over the bread. And this distinction can change your life. Life doesn't consist of the things you have, but the blessings you say over them. You only truly have what you bless and give thanks for. Give the blessing of thanks over your, bread - your parents, your family, your friends, your situation - over everything, good and bad. And your life itself will be truly blessed, for such is the true eucharist.
Luke 22:14-20
TODAY'S MISSION
Prepare a private communion service today, with you and Messiah. Lift up to Him those things that need to receive His blessing - your loved ones, your job, your ministry.
Ward left FR because he lied about the mail and it's intent Patent..He did not expect you to ask to report it. That is the reason that the men ask that it be posted..it is unfair of you to try link that with anything else...
Does this passage mean that God is a chicken?
Jesus said "I am the bread of life"
Does that mean that Jesus is a loaf of bread?
You can't always take the Bible for what it says, you have to take it for what it means.
I've been pretty much relegated to lurking these past few weeks as I am not able to deal with nor respond in appropriate fashion to some of the most evil diatribes I have seen in print.
You are in my prayers.
One more thing Brian has publically stated he likes to bait people to get them banned..so let he that is without sin caste the 1st stone!
Much higher than you know Brian!
Do you support the_doc's words to Brian? Do you condemn them? You knew I would ask these questions when you posted.
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Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Mat 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ.
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, [ye] blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Mat 23:17 [Ye] fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
Mat 23:18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
Mat 23:19 [Ye] fools and blind: for whether [is] greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
Mat 23:20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
Mat 23:21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
Mat 23:22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Mat 23:24 [Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Mat 23:26 [Thou] blind Pharisee, cleanse first that [which is] within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Mat 23:33 [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city:
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
That is it? Language like that and you flame Brian? What has he done on this thread that consists of baiting? You have to be kidding.
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It speaks to the importance placed on the covenant agreement we have with God..very serious indeed
Having been emotionally abused for many years, my defense is to run (physically or mentally) away from any potential abuser. I've read some of the docs posts and normally avoid them like the plague and there are many more posters that I just glide right on past. I know it does no good to even respond to these types of people because they aren't rational and your response just gives them that much satisfaction. They think they can win any argument because in their opinion, their opinion is the only one that matters, they have no objectivity and their minds are closed. It's like playing a game with a young child, when they start to lose they change the rules to their favor, accuse you of cheating or just quit.
As far as banishing anyone; I personally don't care if Jim R banishes them for whatever reason. Give 'em enough rope and they will hang themselves theologically anyway.
It don't matter 'cause they don't matter.
Or another way to look at it is:
Don't give what is holy to dogs or toss your pearls before pigs, or they will trample them with their feet, turn, and tear you to pieces. (Mt 7:6)
Thanks for the ping. Only a tortured soul could write something that vile.
You chose to use it as an example..I pointed out to you it was not an accurate example as the REASON that the Calvinists wanted it posted was because they knew it was was an ego trip and nothing else
Now as to doc words..they are his words..not mine.So it is not mine to judge the intenet of his heart..I will say he and I hold the same view on Eucharist (as you would expect)
does this mean no streudel tonight ? ;)
As I understand what happened here, Brian received an unsolicited, no strings email. At that point the email "belonged" to Brian and he should be able to do anything he wants with it as long as he properly credits the ideas expressed in it to the true author. So why even ask?
Am I out in left field here?
So it is not mine to judge the intenet of his heart..That is absolutely hypocritical. You constantly judge the intent and hearts of Catholics, and you just did so with respect to Dr. Kopp and his intent, since you badly paraphrased his words regarding banning to add an intent feature to them. You judge his intent, but you wont judge the_docs, why? Because you agree with one of them. Hypocrisy.
Further, you are constantly complaining and judging Catholics and their intent. Do you want me to assemble a list of your posts Ive saved where you do just that? Hypocrisy. If you can't condemn evil when one of your friends does it your condemnations to your opponents mean nothing. Even the tax collectors do the same.
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I consider myself a newbie here so if you don't mind, I have a question regarding Dr. Brian Kopp's asking permission to post ---- Why ask permission at all?It is good form to give someone the chance to either give his assent or to withdraw his comments first. Also, I asked Brian to do that because I knew what the_docs answer would be, and it would fit right into the stereotypical profile of a verbal abuser.
Generally most people think it is better in most circumstances to not post the freepermail when it is private. There is no FR rule on the subject that I know of though, its just custom.
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Personally I avoid all of you for the most part cause the RC caucus dislikes any examination of their doctrine..and keeps the finger poised..just ....waiting .....waiting to silence anyone that dares to disagree..
Now me ..I enjoy a serious discussion of doctrine..but I am not foolish enough to believe I could change any hearts..that is God's job...He knows who is savable and who is not ..
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