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The True Eucharist
Sapphires | Jonathan Cahn

Posted on 04/26/2002 9:01:52 AM PDT by WhatNot

Many churches focus on the "eucharist," which for them means the bread of the Lord's Supper. Other believer's don't think the concept of the eucharist is Biblical. But the concept of "eucharist" is Biblical. The word "eucharist" comes from the Greek "eu" meaning "good" and "charis" meaning "grace" or "blessing." The eucharist at the Last Supper was not the bread itself, but the blessing Messiah said over the bread. The blessing is one said in Jewish homes to this day: "Baruch Atah Adonai Elohaynu Melech Ha Olam, Ha Motzee Lechem Min Ha Aretz" - "Blessed are You O Lord Our God, King of the Universe, Who brings forth bread from the earth." This is the true eucharist.

The true eucharist is never eaten, it is given. It is a blessing of thanks to God. It's not the bread, it is the blessing over the bread. And this distinction can change your life. Life doesn't consist of the things you have, but the blessings you say over them. You only truly have what you bless and give thanks for. Give the blessing of thanks over your, bread - your parents, your family, your friends, your situation - over everything, good and bad. And your life itself will be truly blessed, for such is the true eucharist.

Luke 22:14-20

TODAY'S MISSION

Prepare a private communion service today, with you and Messiah. Lift up to Him those things that need to receive His blessing - your loved ones, your job, your ministry.


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To: patent; the_doc; CCWoody, Wrigley; RnMomof7; Orthodox Presbyterian; father_elijah; Antoninus...
I am embarassed by what "the_doc" has done in the Name of Christ. While I am a Biblical Christian (I think you call us "Bible-only Christians" -- which is a name I love), I am appalled at this man's behavior.

He regularly attacks us in this way, but I had no idea he would carry on this way against catholics too. I too am amazed that he would be afraid to have his private statements made public.

I am pinging some of his sychophantic Calvinist followers in the hope that they will see this behavior for what it is and join the Biblical Christians in renouncing it.

I believe the sound you hear when reading his posts is several loose screws.

61 posted on 04/29/2002 10:52:39 AM PDT by winstonchurchill
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To: sinkspur
Sink,

I almost lost the faith in 1991 because of the lies and distortions of these kinds of blockheads.

I recently lost my kid sister to these kinds of blockheads, and my younger brother too several years ago.

They were never taught Roman Catholicism, but instead were fed the spirit of Vatican II crap instead. They were easy prey to deceivers and liars.

A prophet is never accepted in his home. I'm not a prophet, but neither have I been able to replace the crap my siblings have been taught by these kinds of blockheads with the beauty of Truth.

For me and many others, this is personal. I don't want others to fall to the lies I almost fell to, and my siblings have indeed fallen to.

This is spiritual warfare, and the stakes are high. Eternal Savation is at stake for some of these folks.

62 posted on 04/29/2002 10:58:49 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: patent
Wow! Thanks for the ping and the alert. I'll keep my reply short ... doc summed it all up quite nicely with his "Either way, on Judgment Day, I win." Pride is an ugly thing, isn't it?
63 posted on 04/29/2002 11:07:43 AM PDT by al_c
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
One of the problems with making this spiritual warfare, however, is the tendency to be dragged into the mud with the mud slingers. There are lurkers that read these types of threads who make decisions about matters based more on the way that people conduct themselves than by the pursuasive nature of their words. It is very difficult to not stoop to the level of individuals who view a forum such as this a opportunity to attempt to convert people. I hope you are able to remain above the fray. The process may draw more attention than the content.
64 posted on 04/29/2002 11:10:47 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: sinkspur
>>>don't engage them in conversation.

Don't feed the bears?

65 posted on 04/29/2002 11:11:19 AM PDT by patent
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To: johniegrad
I hope you are able to remain above the fray.

I have failed to do so many times here. I usually try to acknowledge it when it has happened and apologize.

At some point though, there is behavior here that can only be described as sinister at best, that must be revealed and resolved, for the protection of Christ' little ones.

66 posted on 04/29/2002 11:31:34 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: patent
He is truly a sick human being.

I pray for his soul.

EODGUY

67 posted on 04/29/2002 11:37:50 AM PDT by EODGUY
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To: patent
Thank you, patent, for bringing this out into the open.

Abusive use of freepermail should be sent directly to the moderators. This is very important, and no one should suffer in isolation. These tactics have been used again and again against all sorts of non-Calvinist posters. May this sort of behavior come to an end.

68 posted on 04/29/2002 11:38:17 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
God is using you well, as His instrument.

I, for one, can't begin to fathom what goes on in the minds or hearts of someone who believes God creates human beings who, through no fault of their own, will be consigned to hell.

That's not religious belief; it's sickness.

69 posted on 04/29/2002 11:40:44 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; katnip
As katnip rightly observed, these attacks on you are clear evidence of the demon's work. May St. Michael the Archangel and the Hosts of Heaven do battle for you, Brian, as you do battle for the truth of Christ and His Holy Catholic Church.

Keep the Faith!

70 posted on 04/29/2002 11:41:08 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: ccwoody;rnmomof7;orthodoxpresbyterian;la$tminutepardon;the_doc;jean chauvin;whitemountain;restornu
comments?
71 posted on 04/29/2002 11:44:14 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
I think you may be misreading history. What I have read is that the Romans thought it was canabalism, not necessarily the early Christians. It was a opportunity to seek and destroy and put them well out of the mainstream. I've always seen those verses as metaphorical myself.
72 posted on 04/29/2002 12:00:34 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: patent;dansangel
And he "the doc" calls himself a christian?
73 posted on 04/29/2002 12:02:33 PM PDT by .45MAN
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To: .45MAN
Actually he goes further, he calls himself a saint.

patent

74 posted on 04/29/2002 12:03:43 PM PDT by patent
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To: Wrigley
Please see the extensive documentation I posted above proving the early Christians took this literally.

1Cor.11
[26] For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.
[27] Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord.
[28] Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
[29] For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself.
[30] That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.

A bit harsh for a mere metaphor.

75 posted on 04/29/2002 12:10:08 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Mike Fieschko
Pinging to you regarding post # 48.
76 posted on 04/29/2002 12:12:00 PM PDT by katnip
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To: Wrigley
Saint Justin Martyr wrote an apology on Christian doctrine to “the Emperor Titus Ælius Adrianus Antoninus Pius Augustus Caesar, and to his son Verissimus the Philosopher, and to Lucius the Philosopher, the natural son of Caesar, and the adopted son of Pius, a lover of learning, and to the sacred Senate, with the whole People of the Romans” on, among other things, these issues. I include here only the section on the Eucharist, which was written in part to respond to these very cannibalism charges. I would also note that the cannibalism charge, IMHO, stemmed from one other thing. The Romans had a thriving abortion and infanticide culture. Young children, when unwanted, would be left outside the city to die by their parents. Christians became known for picking up these children, and the rumor was spread that they did so to sacrifice them on their altars. The reality was they adopted them, something I think we Christians need to do as much of as possible if we hope to defeat the abortion industry. Anyway, from Justin:
CHAPTER XXVII -- GUILT OF EXPOSING CHILDREN.

But as for us, we have been taught that to expose newly-born children is the part of wicked men; and this we have been taught lest we should do any one an injury, and lest we should sin against God, first, because we see that almost all so exposed (not only the girls, but also the males) are brought up to prostitution. And as the ancients are said to have reared herds of oxen, or goats, or sheep, or grazing horses, so now we see you rear children only for this shameful use; and for this pollution a multitude of females and hermaphrodites, and those who commit unmentionable iniquities, are found in every nation. And you receive the hire of these, and duty and taxes from them, whom you ought to exterminate from your realm. And any one who uses such persons, besides the godless and infamous and impure intercourse, may possibly be having intercourse with his own child, or relative, or brother. And there are some who prostitute even their own children and wives, and some are openly mutilated for the purpose of sodomy; and they refer these mysteries to the mother of the gods, and along with each of those whom you esteem gods there is painted a serpent, a great symbol and mystery. Indeed, the things which you do openly and with applause, as if the divine light were overturned and extinguished, these you lay to our charge; which, in truth, does no harm to us who shrink from doing any such things, but only to those who do them and bear false witness against us.

. . . .

CHAPTER LXV -- ADMINISTRATION OF THE SACRAMENTS.

But we, after we have thus washed him who has been convinced and has assented to our teaching, bring him to the place where those who are called brethren are assembled, in order that we may offer hearty prayers in common for ourselves and for the baptized [illuminated] person, and for all others in every place, that we may be counted worthy, now that we have learned the truth, by our works also to be found good citizens and keepers of the commandments, so that we may be saved with an everlasting salvation. Having ended the prayers, we salute one another with a kiss. There is then brought to the president of the brethren bread and a cup of wine mixed with water; and he taking them, gives praise and glory to the Father of the universe, through the name of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, and offers thanks at considerable length for our being counted worthy to receive these things at His hands. And when he has concluded the prayers and thanksgivings, all the people present express their assent by saying Amen. This word Amen answers in the Hebrew language to genoito [so be it]. And when the president has given thanks, and all the people have expressed their assent, those who are called by us deacons give to each of those present to partake of the bread and wine mixed with water over which the thanksgiving was pronounced, and to those who are absent they carry away a portion.

CHAPTER LXVI -- OF THE EUCHARIST.

And this food is called among us Eukaristia [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, "This do ye in remembrance of Me, this is My body;" and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, "This is My blood;" and gave it to them alone. Which the wicked devils have imitated in the mysteries of Mithras, commanding the same thing to be done. For, that bread and a cup of water are placed with certain incantations in the mystic rites of one who is being initiated, you either know or can learn.

patent  +AMDG

77 posted on 04/29/2002 12:15:07 PM PDT by patent
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To: patent
Excellent reply. Thanks again.
78 posted on 04/29/2002 12:27:05 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Yep very harsh for a metaphor. Look at what it represents. It represents Christ's crucifixtion. He gave his body and blood to save us. A very serious and incredible thing to do. The results of mocking what the metaphor represents is harsh. Just because Paul's words are harsh does not make it any more than a metaphor.

And my calling the Lord's Supper, or Communion a metaphor does not mean I don't take it seriously.

79 posted on 04/29/2002 12:30:20 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: patent
Thanks. More info is always good. If I get time in the next couple days I'll pull out my history books so I can site some other views.
80 posted on 04/29/2002 12:31:21 PM PDT by Wrigley
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