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The Catholic Position [why the Church is blamed for everything]
LewRockwell.com ^ | April 20, 2002 | Joseph Sobran

Posted on 04/20/2002 5:56:22 AM PDT by heyheyhey

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To: Zipporah
I was yesterday speaking to a former priest about this issue and he said that a particular family he knows whose child was abused left the church not due to what happened to their son but due to the way the Bishop dealt with it.

Using that logic we all should have renounced our citizenship and left the country when those cowards in the Senate failed to convict Clinton. Sounds like they placed their faith in men rather than in God.

21 posted on 04/20/2002 6:58:16 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Oh for crying out loud.. can't you see that by pointing the finger at other religions that you are just watering down the church you are attempting to defend? Just keep closing your eyes and putting your fingers in your ears and it will ALL go away.. Problem is what will go away is the Roman Catholic Church.
22 posted on 04/20/2002 7:02:42 AM PDT by Zipporah
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To: heyheyhey
Excellent article.
23 posted on 04/20/2002 7:06:45 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: JZoback
Tried and convicted (if guilty) and sent to prison for a long time.
Every single one of them.
No one in the right mind would question that. But you be careful not to fall for what the massmedia want you to fall, to create in your mind a new criminal category: the Roman Catholic Church :-)
24 posted on 04/20/2002 7:07:47 AM PDT by heyheyhey
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Catholicism still has a strange moral authority, and many people are unable to achieve a calm and assured disbelief. They are still driven to discredit the Church - perhaps for the same reason so many of us believe in her.
Joseph Sobran

25 posted on 04/20/2002 7:16:15 AM PDT by heyheyhey
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To: heyheyhey
Beautifully written. Some nice zingers.

Nobody demands that the Church "change its outdated teachings against sloth."

26 posted on 04/20/2002 7:23:46 AM PDT by Cicero
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To: heyheyhey
This whole thing with the catholic church is just an excuse to attack organized religion.
27 posted on 04/20/2002 7:31:04 AM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: heyheyhey
At any rate, the Church can’t change.

SNORT...How many Catholics still don't eat meat on Friday?

The Church had better change its postion on how to deal with pedophiles within its ranks before it becomes a modern Sodom & Gomorrah.

28 posted on 04/20/2002 7:37:35 AM PDT by Drango
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To: heyheyhey
At any rate, the Church can’t change. She can no more change her teaching about lust than her equally emphatic teachings about pride, gluttony, and sloth, because God has made the world as it is and no human will can repeal its moral order. These aren’t the Pope’s personal opinions; they are objective truths.

The RC church must change. If homosexuality is a sin and there is punishment for committing a crime than the RC Church doesn't believe in objective truth. It knowingly has a huge contingent of homosexual priests. Far too many of these priest prey on adolesents and then the crime is covered up in the name of forgiveness.

The objective truth of this matter is that the RC Church has lost much of the moral authority it claimed to have.

29 posted on 04/20/2002 7:49:29 AM PDT by Fzob
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To: Drango
How many Catholics still don't eat meat on Friday?
In fact, many of us don't. The meatless Friday requirement was limited to the time of Lent. On any other Friday it is replaced by a deed of Christian charity.
...before it becomes a modern Sodom & Gomorrah
There is a blessing in the old scandals' hype; the more "conservative" Bishops who denied admissions of sodomites to the priesthood are being reinforced in their convictions, and the sodomite-friendly ones are (hopefully) becoming less sodomite-friendly.
30 posted on 04/20/2002 7:54:53 AM PDT by heyheyhey
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To: heyheyhey
Many state laws banning the sale of contraceptive devices in this country were passed by Protestant majorities while Catholics were politically weak.

My, my, do I detect a bit of Protestant bashing?

31 posted on 04/20/2002 7:59:17 AM PDT by VOYAGER
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To: Fzob
If homosexuality is a sin and there is punishment for committing a crime
I'm sure you realize the difference between "sin" and "crime." The "sin" category is fairly universal, it never changes, the "crime" category changes constantly. Only sometimes these two overlap.
In our massmedia for example, it slowly becomes a "crime" to be a Catholic, but there is nothing wrong with homosexuality :-)
32 posted on 04/20/2002 8:06:01 AM PDT by heyheyhey
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To: heyheyhey
I'm sure you realize the difference between "sin" and "crime."

Of course there is difference. The point I was trying to make is that; if the RC church considers homosexuality to be a sin and somewhere between 30 and 50 percent of the priests (numbers from priests themselves) are in fact homosexual it raises the question as to why these priest are tolerated in the first place. Moral authority implies a certain level of consistency between your dogma and real life, otherwise you get the label of hypocrite.

As far as crimes go; again if one is claimimg moral authority yet does not turn in these predators they lose said authority. The fact that forgiveness is an important issue does not allow these predator off the hook. They can be forgiven in or outside of a jailhouse.

33 posted on 04/20/2002 8:21:55 AM PDT by Fzob
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To: Fzob
somewhere between 30 and 50 percent of the priests are homosexual
Far out! I've been a Catholic since I was 1 month old, I got to know many priests and your numbers do NOT match my experience, not even remotely :-)
34 posted on 04/20/2002 8:52:51 AM PDT by heyheyhey
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To: heyheyhey
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The meatless Friday requirement was limited to the time of Lent in POST #30.

It should say "requirement was limited in the recent years."

35 posted on 04/20/2002 8:58:20 AM PDT by heyheyhey
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To: heyheyhey
Far out! I've been a Catholic since I was 1 month old, I got to know many priests and your numbers do NOT match my experience, not even remotely :-)

Well, I doubt the priest are actually letting the flock know they are homosexuals. Do you? The number of 30 to 50 percent is a number that was stated by a RC priest that wrote an opinion piece in the wake of the troubles in Boston. I thought the number was very high as well, but who am I to argue with someone in the know?

BTW, how many homosexual as a percentage of priests does your experiance indicate there are? If the doctrine of the RC church is that homosexual activity is sinful, why does the church not defrock these men and tell them are unfit for ministry after it have become clear that these men have not merely backslide but are in fact indulging in this sin as a practice.

36 posted on 04/20/2002 9:31:21 AM PDT by Fzob
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To: Fzob
Well, I doubt the priest are actually letting the flock know they are homosexuals.
I can smell one from a good distance :-)
how many homosexual as a percentage of priests does your experiance indicate there are?
Very, very few from my experience. It may depend upon a particular diocese, and it REALLY SHOULDN'T. On another thread I read the following,
For Father John Canary, rector of the University of St. Mary of the Lake Seminary in Mundelein, outside Chicago, homosexual "orientation" does not necessarily exclude a candidate. But Father John Folda, rector of St. Gregory the Great Seminary of the Diocese of Lincoln, Neb., said simply, "We don't take homosexual candidates." The reason, he said, is the same as that given by the Holy See. "Because of the way of life a priest lives, there would be a great deal of temptation for someone like that," he said. "You'd be calling a man to something unsuitable for his circumstances."

I am looking forward, with a great hope, to the outcome of the media-orgy. I think it will be, in the end, v. good for the Church :-)
37 posted on 04/20/2002 9:46:55 AM PDT by heyheyhey
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To: Cullowhee
welcome to freerepublic
40 posted on 04/20/2002 9:55:17 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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