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The Catholic Position [why the Church is blamed for everything]
LewRockwell.com ^ | April 20, 2002 | Joseph Sobran

Posted on 04/20/2002 5:56:22 AM PDT by heyheyhey

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LewRockwell.com | April 20, 2002 | Joseph Sobran

Posted on 4/20/02 5:56 AM Pacific by heyheyhey

The Catholic Position

by Joseph Sobran

A few weeks ago I tried, in my feeble way, to express why I fell in love with the Catholic Church. I received many gracious and grateful responses from others who felt the same way, some of them converts like me.



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Posted on 4/20/02 5:56 AM Pacific by heyheyhey

The Catholic Position

by Joseph Sobran

A few weeks ago I tried, in my feeble way, to express why I fell in love with the Catholic Church. I received many gracious and grateful responses from others who felt the same way, some of them converts like me.

101 posted on 04/20/2002 10:32:51 PM PDT by heyheyhey
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To: heyheyhey
Great article. Thanks.
102 posted on 04/22/2002 12:03:32 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: NetValue
Only goodness can save us if the Church falls.

And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. (Matthew 16:18)

The church will not fall. We must perservere and have faith that Jesus spoke the truth. Jesus also said that not all members of his church would go to Heaven. One of His own disciples betrayed Him. Eleven of his disciples rejected Him in His passion. He loves us very much, and He loves His church. We will get through this crisis, and we will be stronger for it.

God bless.

103 posted on 04/22/2002 12:08:36 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: Fzob
The number of 30 to 50 percent is a number that was stated by a RC priest that wrote an opinion piece in the wake of the troubles in Boston.

Many investigations have been done on homosexuals and priests, and the highest numbers I have heard from a respected scientist is 5% ... and this is total homosexuals, not the total ACTIVE homosexuals which is estimated at between .02 and 2%.

Yes, there is a problem with some seminaries recruiting effeminate men and keeping out masculine men. But the problems do not for one minute prove that the Catholic faith and beliefs are wrong.

We must solve this problem. It is a real tragedy and something that needs to be fixed, ended, the victims cared for. But the Church is still standing, and will stand. We might not think so today, but the Church has been through many other scandals over the past 2,000 years and survived. We can and will get through this one.

Because the Catholic faith is focused on one thing: God. All prayers, all petitions, all devotions, are finally directed to God through Jesus Christ, His Son. Our faith, our doctrines, our love has not changed, even though some in the Church have failed to uphold the commandments, the morality, or the doctrines.

God bless.

104 posted on 04/22/2002 12:17:50 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: Brices Crossroads
The point that you and many others fail to understand is that the Church, as an institution, is both divine and human. Because it is human, its followers will sin. This does not lessen its moral authority, because this authority comes from Christ and is not dependent on whether you or the Gallup Poll or any other human being judges it to be hypocritical. If you don't agree with its teachings, you are free to reject it. But don't use the argument that the Church is composed of sinners as an excuse for doing so.

Well said. God bless.

105 posted on 04/22/2002 11:55:05 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
When a person starts deliberately lying in their anti-Catholic diatribes, you know you are dealing with the demonic.

Precisely. Spot on, Howlingly.

106 posted on 04/22/2002 1:52:39 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: Gophack
Thanks. You are quite correct in your posts. The Church will endure. The "Rock" will not break. We have this assurance from Christ Himself. The Church is going through this fiery trial, but it will emerge stronger. There are two things we can count on. First, the devil always overplays his hand. Second, God always brings the greatest good out of the most evil situations. Prayer and sacrifice will bring this about, not flailing away at the Church.
108 posted on 04/22/2002 8:02:13 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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Indeed the Church will prevail over the Evil One and his minions. But have you considered the possibility that the Church founded on the day of Pentecost in the descent of the Holy Spirit on Christ's Holy Apostles may continue to this day not in the form of those in communion with the Pope of Rome, but in the form of those in communion with every other local church mentioned in the Holy Scriptures--that is what is now called the Orthodox Church?

After all, it was Rome which changed the Creed in contravention of the decrees of the Ecumenical Councils at the time of the schism. In the last century, the Orthodox Church offered more Holy Martyrs for Christ than the Church did in all the centuries previous, only to rise again from the Bolshevik persecution. The Evil One is obliged to attack the Holy Orthodox Church from without--the Jihad, the Crusades, the Turkish and Bolshevik Yokes. The Latin Church under the Roman Pope seems to sprout evils from within. All of the horrors laid against Christians by modern freethinkers--the Crusades, the Inquisition, the abuses which sparked the "Reformation" (note the scornful quotation marks), the wars of religion in the 16th and 17th centuries, forcible conversion of American Indians, and now the sex scandals most notably in North America, but also if one is attentive in Austria and (with a heterosexual twist) in Africa--were brewed within the Papal Church.

109 posted on 04/22/2002 10:50:08 PM PDT by The_Reader_David
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To: Diago
Though this is not on this subject, a web site I frequent, and I have email on (www.catholic.org) changed its IP this weekend. So some people may have trouble accessing it. The new 66.122.14.30

Access seems to be okay today, but I had trouble yesterday getting into the site without using that IP.

110 posted on 04/28/2002 6:09:56 AM PDT by topher
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