BEWARE THE RED HEIFER: How religious nutballs could start World War III

Antiwar.com ^ | April 15, 2002 | Justin Raimondo

[ladyinred]

Although I do not like the tone of this piece, or the obvious anti-Christian/Jew sentiment expressed, I do know I have heard over the years of the supposed birth of a red heifer.
Once a few years ago, it was supposed to have been birthed in some rural area of the United States and that was supposed to signal the end!

[detsaoT]

You got it, "pal."

My point being, you inserted text into this discussion as if Klive Cussler (or whatever his name is - I'm too lazy to hit 'back' and look) were God Himself.

I refute that opinion with the counter-opinion (most people call them "counter-points," in case you've missed out on traditional modes of relevant human discourse, "bud") that it appears that whatver Mr. Cussler (or whomever) is saying seems to be summarized as:

"National or group identity is the cause of human fanaticism, which is the cause of all of humanity's problems."

To which I replied: "If that were the freepin' case, then why are we not living under the Global Roman Empire TO this date?"

Now, if I misinterpreted the OPINION expressed by Mr. God Himself, then so be it. (I don't think that I did. It's not like it was hundreds of pages long!). If not, then:

Based on the LOGIC presented in your quotee's OPINION, your quotee is mistaken. National or group identity was easily overridden by the rather democratic/republican [compared to the other governments slash monarchies at the time] Roman government, and ROME STILL FELL.

(But you can go on believing whatever the hell you want.)

;) ttt

[detsaoT]

I do not question the honest work of the monks, etc. who wrote the words. I question the compiling and re,re,compiling of the scriptures and the word of mouth stories they were based on.

Aha, but what leads you to believe that they are compiled from word-of-mouth stories, rather than on firsthand accounts? Archeological evidence has shown that the timeline presented by the books of the Bible (though not necessarily the compilation thereof, _if_ you dispute that) goes back roughly 6,000 years from present, ALL of which we have been capable of writing (cuneiform, etc). So who's to say that the original texts for many of these books could not be found? If the Gospels were written by who they said they were, why doubt the contents? If you were to meet God Himself, would you lie about it, particularly with Revelation 22:18-19 hanging over your head? Keep in mind that, even though they weren't known by the modern names we have for them at the time they were written, they were accepted by the early Church, under the leadership of the Apostles themselves, as the Word of Christ...)

I have no doubt about the general gist of the stories and the good that they do for humanity. I am simply a rebellious child who asks a lot of why's!

I won't fault you for that, I tend to be the same way (albeit about other, far less important issues). I still would like to heartily encourage you to do some heavy digging into the positions we've been discussing. There is much less of a political influence on the Biblical teachings than you think.

FReegards, as always!

:) ttt

[Sabramerican]

DON'T HAVE A COW

[detsaoT]

Guys, it has truly been a pleasure debating with you. I have learned a lot from our discussions, even if the end result is not that we agree. I encourage you, particularly, wirecutter, to dig deeper into your fears to see whether or not they are justified. Weikel, even though we don't agree on this, don't think we're complete enemies. I look forward to conversing with you on a sundry of other topics.

FReegards to both of you. I'm gonna be signing off for the evening. I may pick things up where I left off tomorrow, but fear I have spent too much of someone else's time on the debate we've already had. Feel free to FReepmail me if you do want to continue our discussions.

Take care,

:) ttt

[tpaine]

I see only one person on is thread that talks of god like abilities. - You.
-- And aptly enough, you seem quite toasted. - Thanks bud, you're a real pal.

[neutrino]

Well, I guess that this is the best that we can hope for since we're not likely to get a nuke into Mecca or Medina anytime soon.

Please don't say such things - I prefer to keep hope alive!

[Tauzero]

bump to that

[tpaine]

Bears repetition bump.

[Tauzero]

The idea that the universe is uncaused does not require a time axis that "goes back forever".

[Tauzero]

"In other words, we're both being religious and dogmatic about our beliefs."

Indeed.

When you get down to it, solipsism is totally consistent and cannot be disproved. It is not, however, particularly useful for predicting the behavior of one's sensory input.

[Tauzero]

Yet I think that -- at least at some point in our history -- such a tendency must have had survival value.

[WALLACE212]

Hitler was a Christian like I am Santa Claus. Hitler was up to his little s**t mustache in the occult and eastern mysticsm. And guess what- I am damn proud that my great uncles on both sides sent plenty of his minions straight to hell. And when that evil returns, WHICH IT HAS, their great nephew is gonna carry on the family tradition!

[WALLACE212]

Prophecy will be fulfilled in His time, by His will. I do not pretend to know if this is the real thing or not, but all shall come to pass like I said above. The signs mount day by day that our Judgement is at hand..... but maybe He will spare us if we return to Him. I am not holding my breath, however.

[weikel]

The universe is either a) created or b) eternal( if you have another theory I would like to hear it).

[weikel]

Hitler was not a Christian but it wasn't Hitler who was obsessed with the occult that was Himmler.

[WALLACE212]

Gods reference to human emotion is to describe in the best terms possible something which we as finite beings cannot comprehend.

[WALLACE212]

There are several cases that involved Hitler having horrific nightmares- waking nightmares (what modern psychology has dubbed "night terrors"), that are very consistent with the emotional and personal degradation that comes hand in hand with deep occult involvement. Attempted astral projection and other advanced stuff isn't very good for apparently.

[WALLACE212]

....good for you apparently. Whoops

[tpaine]

Yet I think that -- at least at some point in our history -- such a tendency must have had survival value.

-- Do you mean a tendency to fanatical devotion?

In an era of small tribal governments, no doubt it does. -- But in the big brother government stage, -- where we are at now, -- it's practice allows, even promotes, -- movements like nazism, stalinism, & jihadism.
-- To my mind, fantacism isn't just a religious problem. -- It's a mindset of intolerance, a learned behaviour.

We have learn to teach constitutonal tolerance under law , which strangely enough, religions supposedly do. -- And are failing at, badly.