[JHavard]

Nobody here is saying that we can do things "on our own" to attain salvation. Nobody is solely depending on his own works. Nobody thinks we can become perfect on our own.

You are still fighting against a caricature.

When you come out that strong, I know I hit a truth cord.

Now please tell me then, if we both are accomplishing the same works and overcoming the same things, what is the difference if you do it out af fear as you do, or if we do the same things out of love because He already saved us?

JH :-)

[SoothingDave]

When you come out that strong, I know I hit a truth cord.

No, it is apparent that you do not reflect upon what we tell you. Yesterday I said:

Therefore, anything we do of merit is the result of God and us working together. For sure we are the infinitely junior partner, but we do have to give God reign over our will. That is our contribution to the partnership and it is not a trivial thing.

That you can see statements like this and yet still ask questions of Catholics about how we want to do everything "on our own" defies description.

SD