v. - I did specifically address one of your passages in James 1:12, perhaps you did not notice it was among the passages you had posted.
When you posted James 1:12, you were not commenting on the post I had used it on, #51,380, but it seems like you had just discovered it your self, and was answering my post # 51,381. You followed by saying,
v. - Thirdly look at this from James.
v. - I did not respond to each and every scripture because all 7 (outside of counting every verse of 1 Cor 9:17-27) were supporting the same point, which I feel is misguided.
So that only leaves 10 you ignored then, Okay.
v. - All of the theorizing about the various crowns is very creative, overlooking only one thing. All of these crowns are one crown, and one thing, the thing that Jesus promised us.
It’s very creative?…… Well I suppose that if I had no scripture to back it up, then you could call it simply creative, but I do have scripture, so it goes from being creative, to being scriptural. :-)
Sorry, your wrong again, Rev 19:12 tells us that Christ as the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, will be wearing MANY crowns, not just one.
Rev 19: 12. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Now while none of us will be crowned like Christ, it follows that we will have more then one if we earned it. Is it not reasonable to believe that since more then one crown can be worn by Christ, shouldn’t it be the same with us? If we have earned two or three or more, they will be counted as each one a crown.
v. - Incorruptible Crown=Eternal Life Crown of Life=Eternal Life
Crown of Righteousness=Eternal Life
Crown for standing fast=Eternal Life
Crown of Rejoicing=Eternal Life I think James 1:12 makes that more than clear. James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Hummmmmm, My Bible doesn’t have the words “=Eternal Life” written after them, probably a cheap Bible. :-)
It does look like you have found 6 different crowns though, and probably one of the prophets or the apostles will have all of them. Then again, maybe some nice little ol lady from Pasadena. Lol
Jesus made no promise of a Crown. What was the promise? Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. There it is, that's "The Crown." And how shall this be? James 1:12 tells you all you need to know: Because you resisted the world. And how shall this be? 1 Cor 9:27 tells you all you need to know: Because you kept "under your body" (resisted temptation). Because you kept running. So that you would not be Castaway/Reprobate/unapproved.
How you can find scripture telling us there will be at least 7 different crowns for 7 different rewards, then you turn right around and say there is only one crown, is beyond me.
Is your problem with receiving more then one crown because we Christians only have one head to put them on??? Now there’s a real mystery.
v. - And if I may be so bold as to argue your side. (other side speaks) "It says there, RIGHT THERE, that all you have to do is believe!" (other side finishes speaking, for that is the entire argument)
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
v. - By all means believe Him. Believe every word He told you. Believe a book filled to overflowing about resisting sin, and being sent out into the fields to work, and about putting on his yoke. Believe his apostles exhorting to all who would listen to resist, to endure, and to run. But don't believe it when someone tells you that once you are saved you are always saved, because that's not scriptural.
There you go again, intimating that Christians who believe in eternal salvation don’t believe in good works, where did you read or hear such nonsense? What good works do Catholics do to earn their salvation, that we don’t do simply because we love God?
Please get your facts straight, we differ from you because we read so many scriptures that tell us such things as Phlip 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
I believe that what Christ told us was true, and I don’t believe we’ll ever hear a “yehh butt” from Him over scripture such as John 3:16, or as above. He made a simple statement, that anyone who believed in Him would not perish, but would be saved, no qualifying statements or follow ups.
I believe in Him with my whole being, I qualify under His own requirement, and I’ll be in Gods kingdom unless Christ lied to me.
Can you picture Christ saying, …..Sorry, that was just a sales promotion gimmick for that week, it no longer applies, its much more complicated then that now? If believing in the Son of God will not save me, then I am indeed lost.
JH :-)
So that only leaves 10 you ignored then, Okay.
Well no, those first ten were the Scripture I posted to start this whole thing off. You already had my opinion on that.
I naturally still don't accept that Scripture trumps Scripture. It can't. And we are just going to have to disagree on the Crowns I guess. I am obviously not knocking any scales off your eyes.
Finally, I never intimated you did not believe in good works. My closing comment was an observation on the amount/percentage of Scripture you require to be saved. Or perhaps the amount of Scripture you are required to observe/believe in order to be saved.
You have made a choice as to whether Believe simply means "Believe in Me", or whether Believe means "Believe in who I am and follow these instructions." In a Book so filled with instructions and additional requirements, I think you have made the wrong choice.
I think the requirement is quite a bit higher than you seem to, but I never implied you or your congregation were not meeting those requirements. (As I said before, it is the weaker lambs that I believe are lost because of OSAS, because if they do not follow the instructions, they will be lost.)
Those requirements, by the way, have not changed, as you joked in your closing paragraph. The entire body of the New Testament contains the entire requirement, and it is because of what is written there that I attempted to clarify what I maintain is your continuing error.
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